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Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#61New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 01:36:41
@ThePainefulTruth Said






What, the definition of police? No, that isn't the problem. It's the power to determine who the law applies to and when.


You are a smart person. You know that despite the advertised freedom that capitalism brings, there are many who suffer from it. (Ever read The Jungle ?) Thus comes the need for regulation. It is this that I mean by "police". And the amount of regulation that is needed differs in opinion, depending on where you lie on the political/economic spectrum. In other words, socialists believe more regulation is needed obviously.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#62New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 01:53:13
@Leon Said

Then social security, disability, welfare, public school, roads, police, military, and anything else funded with our pooled taxes, according to this line of thinking, are also all "immoral", because they, too passed by this "tyrant" majority and not everyone wanted these things, much less wanted to pay for them.

We would be very hard pressed to find ANY bill that 100% of Congress okayed, much less the population.

Nothing will ever get passed in this line of thinking. It would make our current disfunctional government look like a blue ribbon model of efficiency.


The point of the wolves and sheep analogy is that the majority can't override our inalienable rights, or, the more common trespass in today's "democratic" world, establish a legal double standard. I'm sure it's been said a trillion times, but there is no perfect system. Guarding against the double standard is the best guidepost the populace has for separating the wheat from the corrupt chaff. If we don't sell out, we're all good. If we do, its the Holocaust ad nauseaum.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#63New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 02:15:52
@ThePainefulTruth Said

The point of the wolves and sheep analogy is that the majority can't override our inalienable rights, or, the more common trespass in today's "democratic" world, establish a legal double standard. I'm sure it's been said a trillion times, but there is no perfect system. Guarding against the double standard is the best guidepost the populace has for separating the wheat from the corrupt chaff. If we don't sell out, we're all good. If we do, its the Holocaust ad nauseaum.



And that is why we have the Constitution of course. But socialist measures can still fall under it, and obviously have in the past. Heck, for that matter, no economic system is outlined in it, capitalism included.
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#64New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 03:08:49
Capitalism sucks.
Electric_Banana On February 05, 2024




, New Zealand
#65New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 06:52:59
@ThePainefulTruth Said

The point of the wolves and sheep analogy is that the majority can't override our inalienable rights, or, the more common trespass in today's "democratic" world, establish a legal double standard. I'm sure it's been said a trillion times, but there is no perfect system. Guarding against the double standard is the best guidepost the populace has for separating the wheat from the corrupt chaff. If we don't sell out, we're all good. If we do, its the Holocaust ad nauseaum.



In other words Capitalism, as dog-eat-dog and cutthroat as it is has proven to be the system least easiest to take advantage of by opportunists?
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#66New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 10:43:06
@Leon Said

And that is why we have the Constitution of course. But socialist measures can still fall under it, and obviously have in the past. Heck, for that matter, no economic system is outlined in it, capitalism included.


Not directly, no. But the Constitution, before we started ignoring it, mandated smaller government and with checks and balances on that, which promoted individual freedom--capitalism. That necessitated certain laws limiting its abuse such as anti-trust, protection of labor unions, and prohibitions on dangerous working conditions. As we became more socialistic, all of those necessary controls were abused in addition to the completely unconstitutional social programs.


@wirelessguru1 Said

Capitalism sucks.


Yeah, but it's better than any other system. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and restraint of envy of the greater luck, talent and drive others might have. Life ain't fair and anyone's only gripe should be if justice is not blind--i.e., if there is a legal double standard.


@Electric_Banana Said

In other words Capitalism, as dog-eat-dog and cutthroat as it is has proven to be the system least easiest to take advantage of by opportunists?


"Cutthroat" overstates the case, but yes, it's the system least vulnerable to legal elitism, either through pro-active law favoring one group over another (slavery, Jim Crow), or abuse of the law through unequal application via exceptions (failure to prosecute, abuse of executive pardons etc.).
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#67New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 17:25:47
@ThePainefulTruth Said

Yeah, but it's better than any other system. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and restraint of envy of the greater luck, talent and drive others might have. Life ain't fair and anyone's only gripe should be if justice is not blind--i.e., if there is a legal double standard.


Of course there are legal double standards! Wake up!!!

..and capitalism still sucks.

Look, saying that capitalism is the best form of "mind control" is of no benefit to the people only to the elites!!!

..and, of course, most of these elites do not necessarily have more talent and drive than a poor person working two jobs. Unless, of course, you consider lying, cheating and scams (like ponzi schemes) as "talent"!!!
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#68New Post! Apr 27, 2011 @ 17:30:15
@ThePainefulTruth Said

"Cutthroat" overstates the case, but yes, it's the system least vulnerable to legal elitism, either through pro-active law favoring one group over another (slavery, Jim Crow), or abuse of the law through unequal application via exceptions (failure to prosecute, abuse of executive pardons etc.).


Rubbish!

Look at all the damn legal elitism that we have in America!

Are you suggesting that the USA is not capitalist!?

Also, most of the people in Congress and the Senate are also "lawyers"!
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#69New Post! Apr 28, 2011 @ 05:16:01
@wirelessguru1 Said

Rubbish!

Look at all the damn legal elitism that we have in America!

Are you suggesting that the USA is not capitalist!?


Less and less since the 30's when we threw the Constitution under the bus.


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Also, most of the people in Congress and the Senate are also "lawyers"!


I thought you were arguing against me. Why weren't Nixon, Clinton or Ted Kennedy prosecuted? And that's just the top of the food chain. It happens all the way down the line if you're part of the ruling class. A double standard is the root of all evil and corruption.
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