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boobagins On August 03, 2013
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Astral Weeks, Florida
#46New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 19:18:14
@jmo Said

Not at all

Social Democracy is where the government fund social justice/a welfare state but still maintaining a capitalist system.

It's to the left of the American Democratic Party but not quite as left wing as socialism.



Ah...gotcha.

Hmm...Interesting.
jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#47New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 19:20:10
@boobagins Said

Ah...gotcha.

Hmm...Interesting.



As it happens I wouldn't say Libertarianism is necessarily in between being Democrat or Republican as Left-Libertarians and Anarchist Libertarians are completely different from either.
boobagins On August 03, 2013
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Astral Weeks, Florida
#48New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 19:34:33
@jmo Said

As it happens I wouldn't say Libertarianism is necessarily in between being Democrat or Republican as Left-Libertarians and Anarchist Libertarians are completely different from either.



Lol...it depends, I consider myself to be libertarian in the sense of just the major underlying principal: "Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others."

I do realizes that its a political system that is flawed on paper and I don't' think it can ever work, but its philosophy in this respect is probably what I identify more with than anything.

It's like socialism. Again...when you first hear the philosophy, you think is great, but when you break it down...socialism just doesn't' work to its full capacity. And the greatest example is probably the popular division of grades by a professor in class example.

But there are so many libertarian schools of though. Left libertarian, conservative libertarian, civil libertarian, anarchist libertarian...and some of those philosophies are radically different from each other that, yes, they don't fit in between republican and democrat.

Me..personally. I have a lot of republican values in my view but I value democracy higher in its individual liberty and social justice.
jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#49New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 19:53:45
@boobagins Said

Lol...it depends, I consider myself to be libertarian in the sense of just the major underlying principal: "Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others."

I do realizes that its a political system that is flawed on paper and I don't' think it can ever work, but its philosophy in this respect is probably what I identify more with than anything.

It's like socialism. Again...when you first hear the philosophy, you think is great, but when you break it down...socialism just doesn't' work to its full capacity. And the greatest example is probably the popular division of grades by a professor in class example.

But there are so many libertarian schools of though. Left libertarian, conservative libertarian, civil libertarian, anarchist libertarian...and some of those philosophies are radically different from each other that, yes, they don't fit in between republican and democrat.

Me..personally. I have a lot of republican values in my view but I value democracy higher in its individual liberty and social justice.


No idea why but America seems to be a hotbed for Libertarians. Seems like almost every Libertarian philosopher is American. It's not really popular here at all as each form of Libertarianism leads to social injustice, inequality and unfairness.
jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#50New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 20:27:14
Interesting

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/8196469/Poll-Lib-Dems-to-lose-half-their-voters-at-next-election.html

Poll: Lib Dems 'to lose half their voters at next election'
boobagins On August 03, 2013
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Astral Weeks, Florida
#51New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 21:16:23
@jmo Said

No idea why but America seems to be a hotbed for Libertarians. Seems like almost every Libertarian philosopher is American.


Huh...well that's interesting.

Quote:
It's not really popular here at all as each form of Libertarianism leads to social injustice, inequality and unfairness.



Yeah and its why I said, it doesn't work on paper. I know its a flawed system...but idk. After reading to find out which party I belong with...libertarianism just pops up in its underlying philosophy of freedom.

How is the system there? Do you guys have to register your self as Lib Dem or as another party affiliation?

And if you do..what are the main parties there?
jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#52New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 21:21:12
@boobagins Said

Huh...well that's interesting.




Yeah and its why I said, it doesn't work on paper. I know its a flawed system...but idk. After reading to find out which party I belong with...libertarianism just pops up in its underlying philosophy of freedom.

How is the system there? Do you guys have to register your self as Lib Dem or as another party affiliation?

And if you do..what are the main parties there?



No.

You vote for whoever is running in your constituency. Lib Dems, Labour and the Conservatives run in all constituencies in Great Britain. Plaid Cymru run in all the Welsh ones as well and the SNP run in all the Scottish ones. The Socialist Workers party run in most, as do UKIP. The BNP, SSP, Verretas, Monster Raving Looney Party, OAP party, Christian Party and many others run in a few more as do independent candidates.

Whichever party wins the majority of seats in the House of Commons is asked by the Monarch to form a government.

That normally works well except no party won an overall majority in the house of commons so two parties (The Liberal party called the Lib Dems and the Conservative party called the evil bastards) formed a coalition government.

It uses a system called the Westminster system which is replicated all over the world.

You don't need to join a party to vote for them, in fact very few people do. You only need to register to vote in a constituency and you can vote for who you please.
Wellard On April 29, 2012
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In your Mind, Cape Verde
#53New Post! Dec 12, 2010 @ 21:36:12
@jmo Said

Interesting

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/8196469/Poll-Lib-Dems-to-lose-half-their-voters-at-next-election.html

Poll: Lib Dems 'to lose half their voters at next election'


No big surprise here then
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#54New Post! Dec 29, 2010 @ 22:47:35
I voted Lib Dem because.... er... I'm a Liberal.

I live in (what was) a strong Lib Dem constituency, in a Lib Dem county which proudly boasted that it didn't have a single Labour MP...!!

Unfortunately, there was a significant shift to the Tories at the general election, which now means we have a Tory MP.

Would I vote LibDem again..? Too darned right I would, just to get rid of the Tories.

In anticipation of the argument that the LibDems are now nothing more than closet tories themselves, I would argue that point vehemently.

Faced with the stark choice of siding with the Blue Menace, or keeping the worst, most godawful Prime Minister this country has ever had in office, they plumped for the least dreadful option.

Yes, some principles have been sold out on, but it doesn't mean they've gone away. Governments lie, twist, distort and cheat the electorate all the time. The only reason people feel betrayed by the LibDems now, is that they haven't been in office since Lloyd George's day and there is hardly anybody now living who remembers that they can behave like a government too.

There has always been something "warm and fuzzy" about the LibDems, which is borne of not actually having had to make tough decisions in office. All that is gone now, in the stark, harsh glare of being part of a coalition government.

Had Labour presented any sort of credible, acceptable alternative, I would have been happy to see them join forces to beat the Tories.

As it was, getting rid of the appalling Gordon Broon and his dreadful..... dreadful..... dreadful government meant getting into bed with Cameron, et al. The lesser of two very unpleasant evils.

Would I vote for them again..? With Milliband in charge of Labour..? Yes, of course I would.

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