?Will science one day prove that God exists??

@Elite_Dragon Said

Naguib Mahfouz said: You can tell if a man is clever by his answers, but you can tell if a man is wise by his questions.

I don't think Science will ever prove there is a god as that would make the purpose of living void. If everyone knew that there was a god and we were going onto a better place then at the first sign of trouble we would kill ourselves and end our journey. My own personal journey and experience lends proof to my view that there is a god and that is all that i need, my own journey is in its infancy and i am enjoying every minute, even the bad parts

The point is... none of us will truly know until we pass...til then i will enjoy my ride

@raymondone888 Said

I suggest that you read my original post.

Each persons concept of God can vary. My concept is that there is an unseen force that binds us. We have the choice to embrace that unity or reject it.

@Elite_Dragon Said

i scanned it but got bored lol, I never said my concept of god was the same as anyone elses, throughout my post I said my experiance. My concept is that we all have our own journey and our own choices to make. That choice you talk of is not a requirement of life as we are all different and all have our own views and opinions. The fact that you even mentioned a choice and the words embrace or rejection comes across as a slightly zealotish comment, if that makes sense lol

my apologies if that was not the intention but that is how it comes across

@raymondone888 Said

Sometimes God is there, right in front of our eyes, trying to tell us something, but we become deaf to Gods words and blind to Gods excellence.

@Electric_Banana Said

I think we did the same drugs, Willi.

@tariki Said

willi, I don't really understand myself at times. But really anything of value is beyond strict logic. The little story of Joshu was offered as a way of ensuring the idea of "less" rather than "more" was not understood in any nihilistic sense. Like Buddhist "emptiness", it is emptiness that allows all things to be. If the ultimate/God was one "thing" among others, it could only ever be itself, and not "all things". But the warnings are always given that if we "believe" in emptiness, it all goes wrong, for the word points towards an experience of reality, not an attempt at a definition of reality. Just so, as a "self" we can believe in being empty - having less - or experience it. Hence Joshu tells the wannabee to carry his "nothing" away with him, as he "believes" in it, possibly as an "achievement" of the ego....which is nonsense.

Sorry, but its like trying to explain a joke......

@Willi Said

if i read correctly, less because all is one?
science does show everything came from one thing.
call it a big bang, or a creation.
it, as stated by someone earlier,is as far back as we will most likely ever know.

@tariki Said

Well, that would remind me of the old (very old) joke.....what did the Buddhist say to the Hot Dog man ? "make me one with everything" Boom Boom!!

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Yet alas, misleading. "All" is neither one nor two nor a multiplicity. As implied, such words as "emptiness"/"suchness" seek to indicate/express an experience, they do not seek to define reality, which is beyond definition...(this according to Buddhism, I'm not dictating or being dogmatic........ )

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In the symbolism of Pure Land Buddhism (my own particular brand) the undifferentiated nature of enlightenment is represented by gold, each unique individual by the lotus flower. The Pure Land, which is NOW, is depicted as being full of infinite golden lotus flowers. Every picture tells a story. )

@Willi Said


1) what experience?
the one each of us call existance?




2) infinite as in all existence, or in a continuation way?

@tariki Said

1) seek to indicate/express an experience,

2) The Pure Land, which is NOW, is depicted as being full of infinite golden lotus flowers.



willi, I'm not at my best when answering specific questions (quite when I AM at my best is another matter...... ) I prefer picking up the words of others and drifting off at a tangent, happily waffling with no fear of refutation....perhaps because nobody - least of all myself - knows what I'm talking about.

But, "experience" as in experience within the present moment. Maybe when we get "lost" playing a musical instrument, maybe being with those we love. Not "lost" in daydreams, anticipations and epitaphs, not lost in a stream of consciousness, a chain of repetitive thoughts born of habit and conditioning. But lost to "self" in another. Thats as close as I can get, not being enlightened, though I must say that really there can only be enlightened activity/experience rather than enlightened people, and as a Buddhist sage once said....."An ordinary human being is a Buddha, Illusion IS salvation. One foolish thought and we are stupid, ordinary. The next awakened thought and we are the Awakened One, the Buddha."

(What was that I said before about not knowing what I'm talking about...... )

And, "infinite", sorry, wrong word. I've spoken of this symbolism a few times and normally would just say "billions" rather than infinite. Just meaning each unique individual centre, each person, each themselves beyond definition. Whether "infinite" or not I wouldn't know.