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jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#31New Post! Nov 02, 2010 @ 22:51:09
@CannyMind Said

"Socialism does not always mean what you state it does."

I have never said it does!
Yes "socialism" means many different things to many different people: That is precisely why I suggested you find a good dictionary.
If we all used words to mean only what we ourselves defined them as, political discourse would quickly become untenable.

The Fabian "socialism" (small s.) advocated by the labour party has done little enough to advance the cause of true liberty and equality, let alone worker or trade union rights.
Perhaps you are too young to remember "the winter of discontent" when the then ruling "Labour" party hammered the unions and workers.
But Blair's government was an exercise in hypocrisy and cant, and passed many, many, anti-union and anti-civil liberties acts, as well as dragged this country into a totally unjustifiable war at the behest of Bush and the USA's ruling elite.

(At least I could respect Tories like Rifkind and Whitelaw, as they truly believed in the "justice" of their cause.)

(I have no "membership card" and need no leaders!
"Don't you know that the emancipation of the proletariat must be carried out by the proletariat themselves!" )




Then what was the point in giving a specific dictionary defined meaning of the term then?

Labour are a democratic socialist party, on that we are agreed?
boobagins On August 03, 2013
SPICY HOT TAMALES





Astral Weeks, Florida
#32New Post! Nov 02, 2010 @ 23:02:57
I never pay attention to the parties...i research the candidates then vote of who I like, be it republican, democrat, independent...whatever. In fact my ballot was mixed tonight with different people I voted for.

I mean...even now you're typecasting yourself...by excluding the liberals and conservatives. Cause there are some great people in each category...just cause one side has a lot of controversy to it doesn't mean that that person suddenly represents everything about that controversy.

There is no point in voting for independent and smaller parties first based on a principals or preconceived notion..that's just as bad in my opinion.
CannyMind On January 08, 2015




Glasgow, United Kingdom
#33New Post! Nov 02, 2010 @ 23:06:25
@jmo Said

Then what was the point in giving a specific dictionary defined meaning of the term then?

Labour are a democratic socialist party, on that we are agreed?



Sorry: we are not!

The "labour" party, despite their self proclaimed protestations, only want to continue running the state for the profit of the owning or capitalist class.

They are not Socialists or for Socialism, defined not by me but by any decent dictionary, and by the founders of Socialism i.e. people like Rosa Luxembourg etc.

Yours fraternally, Canny.
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