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jacobs On January 31, 2011

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knoxville, Iowa
#1New Post! Sep 12, 2010 @ 02:03:34
Seems like an obvious conclusion to me.

Suppose I have a successful business. I'm bringing in the big bucks. So I buy myself a nice little McMansion, purchase an extremely nice car or two, buy a very nice boat, purchase only the best of clothing, and live my nice little happy life -- while paying my low-level employees minimum wage (or close).

I sleep well at night -- because I am financially secure, while I know I use the labor of the poor -- to do all the work for me.

The poor worry constantly. They have no hope. They have no car. They have no vacations. They have no health care. They live in government subsidized housing and have to ask for food stamps in order to buy the groceries -- while I am living the "good" life.

Oh well. Not my problem.

Obviously -- I could take a little cut in salary, and at least give my employees a dollar more an hour -- but why should I? -- when poor people are so willing to do it for so little? (I mean, what choices do they have?) If one succeeds, there is a whole new generation of high-schoolers and poor people out there -- I can still use -- and they will be grateful I gave them a job. Any job at all.

I am rich. They are poor. Due to my own greediness -- I have chosen that they will remain poor, so I can be rich. Cause and effect.


I know that a lot of people will say -- "Hey, there are plenty of government programs and scholarships out there -- to help them get out of their rut, it's not your fault..." -- to help me ease my guilt, but the truth is -- the only reason I am able to remain rich -- is because there will always be some people out there -- willing to do the dirt work, that I will only pay -- minimum wage.

They are poor -- so I can remain rich. I deserve it, they do not. That is the way I think.


What do you think? Is this socialism, the way I think?

Under "Capitalism" -- talk to me about the joke of minimum wage -- being not enough for any person to survive on -- without government help. (and then we criticize them for being on the "dole".)

The "Minimum Wage" in the USA -- is not enough for anyone to survive on -- without government help. So how is this any better than socialism?

Have any of you ever been poor before? Do you understand?
Why should some people have so much -- while the rest of the population serves them like slaves, cleaning their toilets and emptying their trash -- for minimum wage?

Why cannot the rich -- "share"?
(Guess they never learned that concept in Kindergarten.)
Is it too late for them to learn it, now?

Do the "Rich" -- create the "Poor"?
Willi On August 21, 2018




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#2New Post! Sep 12, 2010 @ 03:35:51
i wonder if the poor create the poor...
LuckyCharms On July 31, 2021
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#3New Post! Sep 12, 2010 @ 03:50:48
These days the poor are creating the rich. And have been doing so for about 30 to 40 years.
carlstss On January 25, 2014




Derby, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Sep 12, 2010 @ 07:11:14
Or how about this, The majority of poor people got themselfs into the situation there in. Why do rich people get slaughtered for trying hard at school and working hard when they leave school i have stopped working since i left school with all my GCSE's why should i hand out to the people who just tossed it off. I buy a new car every year and buy expensive clothes because i work my a** for 12 hours a day if poor people put a little more thought into what they do and when they do it then maybe they could become richer.
Bret1967 On October 13, 2021




PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania
#5New Post! Sep 18, 2010 @ 09:49:17
Well if you look at this , it's two flipsides to this coin if I may add ,Save in time so that you learn a skill that's in demand and then you market yourself and you will bring your self to a better standard of living ,but to some people they seem to not grasp this Idea ,so in essence I say that it 's just an opportunist and a realist on the behalf of rich making the poor poorer and vice versa depending on the individual character and financial status fully.
jacobs On January 31, 2011

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knoxville, Iowa
#6New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 02:59:35
@carlstss Said

The majority of poor people got themselfs into the situation there in.


The poor kid living in poverty -- because of the situation his or her parents are in -- did not get themselves into that situation. They were born into it.

You may be in a situation where you CAN work 12 hours a day -- and get overtime, and all that jazz, but what about the poor kid that works at McDonalds?

Minimum wage does not allow a poor person to explore other options. They just have to keep working to stay alive.

If all the kids at McDonalds, or Walmart, or where ever -- got educations -- and moved on, there will still be another generation of people who will be stuck cleaning those toilets, mopping those floors and taking out that trash.

The employer pays them peanuts. Why? Without their service you could not exist and live as you do. The field worker who picks those tomatoes for your salads, and the poorly paid factory worker who builds the furniture you buy and sews the clothes you wear -- are as essential to your living standard -- as your college education is.

What would you do without them? You'd have to do your own work. (omg).

Clean your own toilets, or pay the ones who do it for you -- a decent wage to do it for you.

Why is your time so much more valuable - than the janitor who cleans up after you? Why are you "better"?
jacobs On January 31, 2011

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knoxville, Iowa
#7New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 03:05:20
@LuckyCharms Said

These days the poor are creating the rich. And have been doing so for about 30 to 40 years.


The poor do create the rich. Without the poor -- there could be no rich.

It's a vicious cycle, and the only answer is to outlaw obnoxious greed and force the rich to hand over some of their money to others -- so they can live well too.

But the greedy are a certain genetic mutation in humanity -- that causes them to think they deserve more. MOST of the rest of mankind -- do not think like them. The greedy are born without compassion. Their greed is insatiable. They will never get enough.

The rest of mankind suffers, as a result of these mutant freaks that think they deserve "more" -- than the rest of us. And they keep on sucking it in. All the money and possesions they can get their hands on.

I know of one rich man in particular -- who has like 30 or 40 classic vintage cars in his car collection. Every single one of his cars is valued in the thousands and thousands.

Why would he feel it is acceptable to stockpile all of those cars in his sick mutated collection -- while other people are living on the street, in poverty, their kids going hungry -- and yet this guy continues to spend millions of dollars collecting classic cars. What kind of freak does this?

I know of people who have art on their walls worth millions -- and they keep buying and adding to their collection -- knowing full well, selling just one of those paintings -- they could get enough money back to help hundreds of poor people. But they choose not to do it. When they have way more money than they know what to do with -- they just start sticking it on their walls, to keep showing people "I'm rich... I'm rich... I'm rich..."

How MUCH do they need. It is NEVER enough. Worse than a drug addiction, it is a need for "More, more. more..." -- addiction. And it is sick.
viewcaster On October 27, 2010




Southlake, Texas
#8New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 15:56:28
@jacobs Said

Seems like an obvious conclusion to me.

Suppose I have a successful business. I'm bringing in the big bucks. So I buy myself a nice little McMansion, purchase an extremely nice car or two, buy a very nice boat, purchase only the best of clothing, and live my nice little happy life -- while paying my low-level employees minimum wage (or close).

I sleep well at night -- because I am financially secure, while I know I use the labor of the poor -- to do all the work for me.

The poor worry constantly. They have no hope. They have no car. They have no vacations. They have no health care. They live in government subsidized housing and have to ask for food stamps in order to buy the groceries -- while I am living the "good" life.

Oh well. Not my problem.

Obviously -- I could take a little cut in salary, and at least give my employees a dollar more an hour -- but why should I? -- when poor people are so willing to do it for so little? (I mean, what choices do they have?) If one succeeds, there is a whole new generation of high-schoolers and poor people out there -- I can still use -- and they will be grateful I gave them a job. Any job at all.

I am rich. They are poor. Due to my own greediness -- I have chosen that they will remain poor, so I can be rich. Cause and effect.


I know that a lot of people will say -- "Hey, there are plenty of government programs and scholarships out there -- to help them get out of their rut, it's not your fault..." -- to help me ease my guilt, but the truth is -- the only reason I am able to remain rich -- is because there will always be some people out there -- willing to do the dirt work, that I will only pay -- minimum wage.

They are poor -- so I can remain rich. I deserve it, they do not. That is the way I think.


What do you think? Is this socialism, the way I think?

Under "Capitalism" -- talk to me about the joke of minimum wage -- being not enough for any person to survive on -- without government help. (and then we criticize them for being on the "dole".)

The "Minimum Wage" in the USA -- is not enough for anyone to survive on -- without government help. So how is this any better than socialism?

Have any of you ever been poor before? Do you understand?
Why should some people have so much -- while the rest of the population serves them like slaves, cleaning their toilets and emptying their trash -- for minimum wage?

Why cannot the rich -- "share"?
(Guess they never learned that concept in Kindergarten.)
Is it too late for them to learn it, now?

Do the "Rich" -- create the "Poor"?

Well yes, this is a socialistic view, which by the way, contrary to what anyone tells you, does NOT make you a bad person.

However, you start out actually supporting the "top down" capitalist view and how it works.

You buy a McMansion... you taken part in "giving" money to poorer folks by way of salaries to all of the framers, concrete workers, plumbers, and on and on that worked on that McMansion.

Same for the car... the boat... and on and on. See? Being rich is not evil either!
Prosperity On October 09, 2010




crystal springs, Mississippi
#9New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:04:15
We are all Rich in the eyes of God. The art of being Rich isn't by sight alone, it's about knowing ones path... God gave us all the the gift of manifesting whatever our heart desires.

Finding your specific path is what one has to do, and it's no simple task. Unwavering faith and the ability to visualize what is the meaning for your life. "Gods Purpose For You"
lil_bear01 On February 18, 2011

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In my igloo, Canada
#10New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:07:14
Not all rich people think along those terms, but they are the 'minority'.

The ones that worked very hard to get to where they are earned every penny of it. It's the attitude that comes with money and power that determines the generous, compassion materialistic rich and the greedy, non caring materialistic rich.

I have and do know many very giving rich people and many greedy non compassionate poor people.

It's not the money or how many possessions that make a person 'rich or poor' it's their personality and heart.

Rich + Money can equal a very generous, kind, giving, emphatic person.

Poor + No Money can equal a miserable, envious, apathetic person.

Side Note: People do not have the choice of being either. Some are and some aren't rich, so that theory is out to lunch.

There has to be employess to have employers and vice verse.

The money issue is totally dependent on what type of person the employer is and what type of personality the employee had.

Not all non rich people want to be rich and are quite content with the things they do have.

After all, isn't it the things that can't be seen nor bought that make a person rich or poor??
squirt_aka_casey On April 21, 2018
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That place, Ohio
#11New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:09:46
@LuckyCharms Said

These days the poor are creating the rich. And have been doing so for about 30 to 40 years.


I actually was thinking this myself... if there was a revolution of the poor, refusing to buy products figuring out how to do it themselves with no "rich" person supplying it, the rich would crumble. But then, at what cost to everyone else.

@carlstss Said

Or how about this, The majority of poor people got themselfs into the situation there in. Why do rich people get slaughtered for trying hard at school and working hard when they leave school i have stopped working since i left school with all my GCSE's why should i hand out to the people who just tossed it off. I buy a new car every year and buy expensive clothes because i work my a** for 12 hours a day if poor people put a little more thought into what they do and when they do it then maybe they could become richer.


Really, I survive (just barely) with a worthless education (that I'm still paying on) that's gotten me no where with, working my a** off wishing that there were 12 hour days available to me, and knowing that I'm not allowed to have overtime because my boss doesn't want to pay me it to just get by, with many people who have multiple degrees working sometimes up to 3 jobs, who never see their families because of this and they can bairly pay their mortgage.

Don't tell me that those people and I don't deserve the same life you have. In fact, some of those people I know deserve it more than you by you logic because the literally work 23 hours a day six days a week.

@Bret1967 Said

Well if you look at this , it's two flipsides to this coin if I may add ,Save in time so that you learn a skill that's in demand and then you market yourself and you will bring your self to a better standard of living ,but to some people they seem to not grasp this Idea ,so in essence I say that it 's just an opportunist and a realist on the behalf of rich making the poor poorer and vice versa depending on the individual character and financial status fully.


And by the time you learn that skill it's no longer in demand because it's become so over-saturated by being in demand. Looking for financial security like that is like putting your money into Wall Street. You can do it, but it takes lots of research and quite a bit of luck. I know, I'm in debt to my eyeballs trying to do that.
squirt_aka_casey On April 21, 2018
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That place, Ohio
#12New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:16:15
@viewcaster Said

Well yes, this is a socialistic view, which by the way, contrary to what anyone tells you, does NOT make you a bad person.

However, you start out actually supporting the "top down" capitalist view and how it works.

You buy a McMansion... you taken part in "giving" money to poorer folks by way of salaries to all of the framers, concrete workers, plumbers, and on and on that worked on that McMansion.

Same for the car... the boat... and on and on. See? Being rich is not evil either!



Right, but in most cases that McMansion was the only thing bought from and made by the "American poor". I mean we're talking Bill Gates rich here, but generally, yeah, the CEO's and heads of these multimillion dollar companies buy everything they can over seas because "that's what looks good" and then the American company equivalents aren't getting the multimillion dollar business so they just don't make any money to pay their workers....

Yet like said before, there's reason that the poor can't refuse paying into the rich... it's hard, but it can be done
LuckyCharms On July 31, 2021
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#13New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:18:16
@squirt_aka_casey Said

I actually was thinking this myself... if there was a revolution of the poor, refusing to buy products figuring out how to do it themselves with no "rich" person supplying it, the rich would crumble. But then, at what cost to everyone else.


Honestly? Economic collapse. No products bought means no one needs to harvest/create the raw materials for those products, no one needs to move those raw materials, no one needs to process those materials, no one needs to produce/service the machines to process the materials, no one needs to move the finished products, no one needs to stock shelves with the products and no one needs to sell those products.

The reality is that every member of our economic spectrum is dependent upon each other. But U.S. policy has been shifting wealth upwards for the bast 40 years, giving more importance to the upper portion of the spectrum.
squirt_aka_casey On April 21, 2018
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That place, Ohio
#14New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:24:27
@LuckyCharms Said

Honestly? Economic collapse. No products bought means no one needs to harvest/create the raw materials for those products, no one needs to move those raw materials, no one needs to process those materials, no one needs to produce/service the machines to process the materials, no one needs to move the finished products, no one needs to stock shelves with the products and no one needs to sell those products.

The reality is that every member of our economic spectrum is dependent upon each other. But U.S. policy has been shifting wealth upwards for the bast 40 years, giving more importance to the upper portion of the spectrum.



No, what I mean by that is that the poor do it for themselves. Only work with those that create who understand and, if anything sympathize with the working man's condition. Take the money away from the rich. And then, of course, what's to stop the cycle from starting all over again

Money does something to people. It's not that every person with a lot of it becomes a hording idiot, but, unfortunately, many do.
LuckyCharms On July 31, 2021
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#15New Post! Sep 19, 2010 @ 16:31:58
@squirt_aka_casey Said

No, what I mean by that is that the poor do it for themselves. Only work with those that create who understand and, if anything sympathize with the working man's condition. Take the money away from the rich. And then, of course, what's to stop the cycle from starting all over again

Money does something to people. It's not that every person with a lot of it becomes a hording idiot, but, unfortunately, many do.


Hmmm. Okay. Well I think we'll have to suspend reality for this supposition. At least in the sense of modern day society. So many skill sets have been lost in the last generation or two.

They would be looking for a different set of purchases - tools and equipment to make the item instead of the finished item in itself.

However it also doesn't have to be that complex. A simple answer is to step away from Walmart and shop mom and pops or locally owned stores. But even then it would still be very difficult simply because the mom and pops have been forced out of the market. On a small level, what everyone can do is support small businesses. Those dollars get recirculated directly into the local community for the most part.
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