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SparklyKatie On March 07, 2014
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Sheffield, United Kingdom
#76New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 07:26:14
@crazylikeafox Said

Sure, if you want to ignore the fact Canada and England were just as paranoid. You shouldn't have made it sound like Conservatism needs enemies to hate to begin with. Certainly not when every other group goes through the same exact thinking.


Sorry who built their bases in Turkey, Italy etc? Who built a secret early warning system at Fylingdales to give the US warning of a nuclear strike but only give the UK about 6 minutes?

Countries other than the US were dragged into the cold war. If we were as paranoid wouldn't we have asked for US early warning systems further away? Or were we realistic and accepted the money knowing that MAD meant the fuse would never be lit?
crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#77New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 07:31:24
@SparklyKatie Said

Sorry who built their bases in Turkey, Italy etc? Who built a secret early warning system at Fylingdales to give the US warning of a nuclear strike but only give the UK about 6 minutes?

Countries other than the US were dragged into the cold war. If we were as paranoid wouldn't we have asked for US early warning systems further away? Or were we realistic and accepted the money knowing that MAD meant the fuse would never be lit?


I'm talking about the Red Scare of the 50's and the hunt for Communist spies, but your missing my point. It's highly inaccurate to blame just 1 group for "needing an enemy to hate" when all groups, and I mean ALL groups, are just as guilty.
SparklyKatie On March 07, 2014
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Sheffield, United Kingdom
#78New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 07:35:09
Yes I agree so why are the vast majority of peaceful folk classed as evil? I'd rather smack Glenn Beck around the head with a lead pipe than listen to the f***wit. Put me on the terrorist watchlist instead of innocent, law abiding Muslims.
crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#79New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 07:38:24
@SparklyKatie Said

Yes I agree so why are the vast majority of peaceful folk classed as evil? I'd rather smack Glenn Beck around the head with a lead pipe than listen to the f***wit. Put me on the terrorist watchlist instead of innocent, law abiding Muslims.


Most people ignore Beck like they ignore Limbaugh Olbermann and Maddow. So let them have their shows. Sure, they're irritating, but at least we have obvious proof our Free Speech is safe (if it wasn't, they would've been censored long ago).
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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Viaticum, United Kingdom
#80New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 08:45:42
@crazylikeafox Said

Sure, if you want to ignore the fact Canada and England were just as paranoid. You shouldn't have made it sound like Conservatism needs enemies to hate to begin with. Certainly not when every other group goes through the same exact thinking.



I don't know about Canada, but the UK has never been as paranoid when it comes to communism as the US. People in the US are still s*** scared because they think that Obama might be a socialist. In the UK, two of the leadership candidates for the Labour party are open about their Marxist history and family background, and no one cares at all. A leadership candidate for one of the two major parties in the US admitting to having Marxist roots would be political suicide, even today.
treebee On April 13, 2015
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London, United Kingdom
#81New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 09:15:19
Yeah actually the UK was quite embracing of socialist and communist policies in the 1970's.
crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#82New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 10:28:48
@buffalobill90 Said

I don't know about Canada, but the UK has never been as paranoid when it comes to communism as the US. People in the US are still s*** scared because they think that Obama might be a socialist. In the UK, two of the leadership candidates for the Labour party are open about their Marxist history and family background, and no one cares at all. A leadership candidate for one of the two major parties in the US admitting to having Marxist roots would be political suicide, even today.


Again I must emphasize the WERE. I was thinking about the hunt for spies in the 1950's, something all 3 countries participated in. But again, that's not even really my point. My point is you can't just claim 1 group or political ideology relies on enemies to hate and promptly ignore the fact they all do it. THAT'S the important thing.
TheMuse On February 15, 2016




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#83New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 12:47:14
@Spinkiegirl Said

Personally, i'am not one to hold ANY land that doesn't legally belong to me in any special regard in that way.



Interesting..
So you would have no problem if a child rapist were to buy the house next to where your niece or you friends children play.
plebian_angel On April 25, 2012
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#84New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 12:56:22
@TheMuse Said

Interesting..
So you would have no problem if a child rapist were to buy the house next to where your niece or you friends children play.



There are already restrictions where convicted child offenders can live.
You can have a problem with a cat lover living next to you if you want, but doesn't mean you'll get your way of them living there or not.
Junkyard_Jim On August 30, 2011

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Norristown, Pennsylvania
#85New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 13:40:07
@crazylikeafox Said

Most people ignore Beck like they ignore Limbaugh Olbermann and Maddow. So let them have their shows. Sure, they're irritating, but at least we have obvious proof our Free Speech is safe (if it wasn't, they would've been censored long ago).


Beck is dangerous only to a philosophy held by another group of people. That group has their own pundits, too. Our society is free so he is free to exercise his free speech despite how it irritates some. He has his own opinion of what America is and/or should be. I get news and opinion from many sources left to middle to right. To be honest, I have never heard of anything from Beck that espoused violence. I have heard worse from others, some left of center.
Junkyard_Jim On August 30, 2011

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Norristown, Pennsylvania
#86New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 14:07:13
@SparklyKatie Said

Sorry who built their bases in Turkey, Italy etc? Who built a secret early warning system at Fylingdales to give the US warning of a nuclear strike but only give the UK about 6 minutes?

Countries other than the US were dragged into the cold war. If we were as paranoid wouldn't we have asked for US early warning systems further away? Or were we realistic and accepted the money knowing that MAD meant the fuse would never be lit?


Believe me, Katie, there are many Americans, conservative and moderate, who are ready to leave Europe and the rest of the world to their own situations. Nothing built at Flyingdales went up without the full cooperation of the UK government, including your Parliament and military together. Flyingdales, strategically, did not help the US. Although the warning was short, that's geographics, kiddo. Study the radar patterns of the 3 main BMEWS sites and its apparent that Flyingdales could really only warn England and the NATO nations.

We sit and listen to the vitriol spewed toward us from various areas of the world, and most of us can only wonder at what we are doing and why our government continues to stay where they stay. I'm about old enough now to be a grandfather and the last thing I want is for any of my grandkids to have to go under arms, particularly for nations that do not seem willing to take care of themselves. Most of us here are reaching the point that we would prefer to bring our military home from Europe, the MidEast, Japan and Korea. It spends a lot of money we could use to our own benefit here for our own needy.

Yesterday, 72 South and Central Americans were found murdered by organized drug cartels near the US border on the Mexican side just trying to get into the US. We have enough of our own problems here. I'm not a liberal, but I'm not a true conservative either. I'll listen to both sides of an argument and try to reach a viable solution. I have not found that to be the case with committed liberals. Conservatives do have a tendency to move somewhat if convinced. Just my view that many liberals move on passion and emotion while moderates and conservatives are more about pragmatism and realism.

Believe me, though, if the US stepped out of its role in Flyingdales and Turkey, the UK and some EU nations would be sprinting to get their own protective systems into those areas. So please, give me a break with the dragged into the Cold War rhetoric. You and your fellow citizens, via your government and military, entertained Patton's suggestion to continue on into Russia at the end of WW2, also. We didn't and the Cold War ensued. Britain has as much responsibility for it as the United States. Here's a quick interesting history on how the Cold War ratcheted up. You'll see Great Britain mentioned quite often and with responsibility from both Churchill and Atlee. https://www.essortment.com/all/effectswhatcau_mmy.htm
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#87New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 21:46:22
@TheMuse Said

Interesting..
So you would have no problem if a child rapist were to buy the house next to where your niece or you friends children play.



I would have a HUGE problem with that! Are you kidding me? But the people who want to build the center didn't cause 9/11! That's a BIG difference don't you think?
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#88New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 21:47:24
@plebian_angel Said

There are already restrictions where convicted child offenders can live.
You can have a problem with a cat lover living next to you if you want, but doesn't mean you'll get your way of them living there or not.



EXACTLY! Thank you!
crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#89New Post! Aug 26, 2010 @ 22:59:32
@Junkyard_Jim Said

Beck is dangerous only to a philosophy held by another group of people. That group has their own pundits, too. Our society is free so he is free to exercise his free speech despite how it irritates some. He has his own opinion of what America is and/or should be. I get news and opinion from many sources left to middle to right. To be honest, I have never heard of anything from Beck that espoused violence. I have heard worse from others, some left of center.


Right, and that was kind of my point. I get irritated with Beck for the same reason I get irritated with Olbermann. They spin the "other" political philosophy into pure evil and encourage partisanship. However, when you think about it, having them on air is actually a good thing. It proves our freedom of speech is safe. If it wasn't, they wouldn't be on air. And at the end of the day, I'd much rather be irritated than silenced.
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