Conflicted meat-eaters deny that meat-animals have the capacity to suffer.

@rogy Said

The two cases are in some basic ways similar - both involve overriding the interest of others for own's own benefit.


rogY

@TransBunny Said

The most disgusting thing I've heard in quite some time. People disagree with you, so you say these horrid, morbid things for shock value. A horrendous scare tactic, and a desperate attempt to force your views on the unwilling

@JuanSmith Said

I make some mean hamburgers.. I use freshly ground cuts. for mine.. no already packaged ground beef.. yuck.

@jonnythan Said

By the way, I know that I'm a jerk and a smartass. You're not hurting my feelings by saying I'm not nice

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Fast-food consumption has strong positive associations with weight gain and insulin resistance, suggesting that fast food increases the risk of obesity and type 2 diabetes.

@lefty Said

Sorry to the OP for going off topic here, but I believe this needs to be said.

In this instance, Jonnythan, you're also wrong.

There have been numerous studies on the correlation between regular consumption of fast food and increased risk of obesity and diabetes. Here's the conclusion from one.

@lefty Said
Now I realize that a parent that is well educated in nutrition will not normally allow excessive consumption of these products, but you have to understand that the majority of parents in the world are not up to your intelligence level or educational standards and do not have the knowledge to make a proper informed decision.

@lefty Said
So unless you are planning on educating these unfortunate parents and children yourself, get off your high horse and admit that regular consumption of fast foods by the majority of children in our society leads to increased risk of obesity and diabetes.

@Jonnythan Said
You and I both agree that it's possible for a parent to frequent fast food establishments with their children while still being a good parent and providing a healthy diet.

@lefty Said

This statement is only relevant if the persons involved are aware of and educated to the fact that excessive consumption of foods with a high glycemic index can lead to obesity and diabetes.

If this were truly the case, then we would not have the epidemic of obesity and the increased levels of diabetes in North America.

Not all parents have the intelligence or education to make informed choices. All I'm suggesting, is rather than finding fault with someone's use of the word any instead of some your efforts could be better spent in helping educate these unfortunate parents and children.

That's the only way that these statistics are going to be reversed, short of outlawing fast food restaurants.

@rogy Said

A new study from the University of Kent has provided direct evidence that people who wish to escape the ?meat paradox? i.e. simultaneously disliking hurting animals and enjoying eating meat, may do so by denying that the animal they ate had the capacity to suffer.

By engaging in denial, those participating in the study also reported a reduced range of animals to which they felt obligated to show moral concern. These ranged from dogs and chimps to snails and fish.

The study, the results of which are published in the August issue of Appetite, was conducted by Dr Steve Loughnan, Research Associate at the University?s School of Psychology, and colleagues in Australia.

Prior to their study, it was generally assumed that the only solutions to the meat paradox are for people to simply stop eating meat, a decision taken by many vegetarians, or the ongoing failure to recognise that animals are killed to produce meat (although few people live in true ignorance, some meat-eaters may live in a state of tacit denial, failing to equate beef with cow, pork with pig, or even chicken with chicken)

https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/stories/meat-eaters-study/2010

@jonnythan Said

I said it's possible. It's possible, period.

The possibility becomes a reality when the parent in question is responsible and educated, as in the case of Lili.

I actually spend a great deal of time both on this site and in real life discussing food and nutrition with people. In my years on TFS, I've helped a number of people on this site alone better understand what they put in their bodies and how their eating affects their health and weight. In my years of struggling with my own weight and health, I've also helped a number of people in real life get in better shape, lose weight, and become significantly more educated about nutrition.

Part of educating people involves dispelling myths and exposing misinformation and overgeneralizations such as "any parent who takes their child to fast food places frequently is a child abuser" or "chicken mcnuggets have more corn than chicken." That's the sort of misinformation and bulls*** that actually affects people's lives.

Many people simply don't understand that it's possible for McDonald's to be a healthy part of their lives or their children's lives. Instead of allowing a poster here to continue spreading that myth, I chose to attack it. By doing so, I think I actually accomplished something - I think that, with the significant help of Lili, I established that it's entirely possible for regular trips to fast food establishments to be part of a healthy lifestyle for adults and children alike.