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jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#16New Post! Jun 22, 2010 @ 19:08:15
VAT increasing is bad, very bad.

I don't understand how they can justify increasing VAT, something which has been proven to hit the poorest hardest, yet they have frozen council tax.

Public Sector cuts scare me as well, not least as almost all my family are employed by the public sector and it's what I'm studying at uni to get into.

After promising before the election that the VAT would not be increased I just can't see the Tories getting away with this. The thing which I find audacious is the claims that the reason they are doing this is the deficit is worse than Labour had told them, this is not true, the independent studies show it was actually better than Labour thought it was.

Child tax credits for the poorest is good and erm, that's about it.

20% VAT, far too much. VAT should be frozen with the intention of cutting once we are in a more economically sound position.
tom On March 16, 2023
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Notlongagoinaplacenotfaraway,
#17New Post! Jun 22, 2010 @ 19:14:46
I agree that the VAT increase is a bad thing. Just as the government is saying that we need to manufacture more they hike up a tax on goods. Alot of the other stuff i agree with, the decrease in benefits etc. Plus with the tax bracket made higher it means that I'll get extra money. I'm not sure whether the pay freeze will affect me as my basic is under 21k but with my shift allowance it goes above 21k.
jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#18New Post! Jun 22, 2010 @ 19:24:42
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#19New Post! Jun 23, 2010 @ 06:41:02
@jmo Said

VAT increasing is bad, very bad.


The thing which I find audacious is the claims that the reason they are doing this is the deficit is worse than Labour had told them, this is not true, the independent studies show it was actually better than Labour thought it was.




Lies, damned lies and statistics again, Jim. You're repeating your spin-doctor bit from the election campaign, trying to make excuses for Labour's balls-ups.... a bit like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, chanting "Four legs good, two legs bad". You spin everything that Labour ever did into a favourable light and completely dismiss the coalition out of hand. Perhaps they should change their name to Labour Four Legs.

When it comes to figures, it all depends on which set of stats you want to believe.

I'm listening to Alistair Darling on Five Live as I type. He thought he was in for an easy ride this morning but he's being made to wriggle on the hook in the face of some pretty intensive questioning. And he's not enjoying it.

To be honest, I too am disappointed that VAT has gone up when there were clear statements from the coalition that they wouldn't do that.

I too am (indirectly) a public sector employee, but if I were to lose my job I'd simply look for another position somewhere else. That's what a higher education is supposed to enable you to do, Jim.

The trouble with a lot of Labourites, is that they still believe the State will nanny them from "The Cradle To The Grave"... but it's just not like that any more.

Nobody has a job for life, anymore. I think you should get that message into your head before you graduate.... It's the best bit of advice I can offer you, my friend.

Going to university isn't about three years of box-ticking and then living on easy street until you retire on a very nice little pension, thank you very much..

Welcome to the 21st Century.


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sister_of_mercy On March 11, 2015




London, United Kingdom
#20New Post! Jun 23, 2010 @ 06:54:14
I'm surprised that VAT is going to increase, considering the adamant claims that it wouldn't from the Tories. Everything else is fairly necessary I suppose, better to try and cut the deficit sooner rather than later.

Plus they haven't increased tax on alcohol so that's something at least.
jmo On April 29, 2021
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#21New Post! Jun 23, 2010 @ 07:59:45
@Jennifer1984 Said

Lies, damned lies and statistics again, Jim. You're repeating your spin-doctor bit from the election campaign, trying to make excuses for Labour's balls-ups.... a bit like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, chanting "Four legs good, two legs bad". You spin everything that Labour ever did into a favourable light and completely dismiss the coalition out of hand. Perhaps they should change their name to Labour Four Legs.

When it comes to figures, it all depends on which set of stats you want to believe.

I'm listening to Alistair Darling on Five Live as I type. He thought he was in for an easy ride this morning but he's being made to wriggle on the hook in the face of some pretty intensive questioning. And he's not enjoying it.

To be honest, I too am disappointed that VAT has gone up when there were clear statements from the coalition that they wouldn't do that.

I too am (indirectly) a public sector employee, but if I were to lose my job I'd simply look for another position somewhere else. That's what a higher education is supposed to enable you to do, Jim.

The trouble with a lot of Labourites, is that they still believe the State will nanny them from "The Cradle To The Grave"... but it's just not like that any more.

Nobody has a job for life, anymore. I think you should get that message into your head before you graduate.... It's the best bit of advice I can offer you, my friend.

Going to university isn't about three years of box-ticking and then living on easy street until you retire on a very nice little pension, thank you very much..

Welcome to the 21st Century.


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Not lies, independent commissions came up with the data. (One of which was commissioned by the BBC).

Also you know nothing about me so stop trying to talk about my life. As it happens my intention something where I sort of have to be employed by the public sector. You're posts are incessantly talking about me towing the Labour party line, and being a 'Labourite' but you are missing both my argument and my philosophy completely.

I am not a Labourite, I am a Labour voter, there is a distinct difference. The reason I am a Labour voter is simple, it's because I am a socialist and Labour are the party of the three closest to my political persuasion. The Tories are the furthest. I'm not opposed to the Budget because it was the Tories who are doing it, I'm opposed to it because it is a budget that is right-wing, that goes against my socialist principles and that I believe to be unfair. It just so happens that it is a Tory budget.

I've criticised right-wing aspects of Labour budgets before as well so please don't try and make this about party politics, as you seem to think everything I post is when it is not. I think you have only read my political posts with regards to the election, one where party politics is paramount, this is not about the election and this is not about me being tactically opposed to the budget, this is me being saddened that our government is implementing a budget I feel to be unfair, unnecessary and likely to lead to a double-dip recession.

As for the part about the public sector it is natural that I'm going to be worried about something which will effect me. More worryingly it has the potential to be bad for my mum, who is a Health Visitor.

And my name is not Jim.
420OBAMA On July 24, 2010




ROBESONIA, Pennsylvania
#22New Post! Jul 18, 2010 @ 06:40:23
Sorry to change the subject but I have a suggestion as to how the government could save money in their budget. They can go back to working on a volunteer basis just as our founding fathers did and be in politics because it is a privilege.
jmo On April 29, 2021
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#23New Post! Jul 18, 2010 @ 10:01:46
@420OBAMA Said

Sorry to change the subject but I have a suggestion as to how the government could save money in their budget. They can go back to working on a volunteer basis just as our founding fathers did and be in politics because it is a privilege.



We didn't have founding fathers and if all politicians where volunteers the only people in politics would be rich people as they'd be the only people who could afford to go five years without any pay.
420OBAMA On July 24, 2010




ROBESONIA, Pennsylvania
#24New Post! Jul 18, 2010 @ 15:46:10
The senate established salaries in 1789. And yes the plantation owners who left their farms for three months out of the year to run Washington DC were wealthy. However George Washington almost lost his farm. When he became president in 1789 the senate started salaries.
sister_of_mercy On March 11, 2015




London, United Kingdom
#25New Post! Jul 18, 2010 @ 16:02:05
@420OBAMA Said

The senate established salaries in 1789. And yes the plantation owners who left their farms for three months out of the year to run Washington DC were wealthy. However George Washington almost lost his farm. When he became president in 1789 the senate started salaries.



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