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Xavery On August 15, 2023
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#1New Post! Jul 29, 2009 @ 02:12:01
Propofol is used in surgery as anesthesia for patients undergoing surgery. It must be given intravenously. It is not used at home for sleep by insomniacs not unless you were Michael Jackson.

Sources say that Jackson was given propofol on the day or eve of his death. They say Dr. Conrad Murray regularly administered propofol to Jackson, even though Murray is a cardiologist and therefore unlikely qualified to administer propofol.

If all of the above is confirmed, Dr Murray could be charged with manslaughter.

However, do you think is fair? If Murray gave Michael this drug, Michael allowed him to.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
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Waverly, Washington
#2New Post! Jul 29, 2009 @ 02:17:22
I agree. Michael agreed to it. But, did the doctor
CYA and get Michael to sign any waiver documents?
amelie3 On March 07, 2010




Sydney, Australia
#3New Post! Jul 29, 2009 @ 07:36:33
@Xavery Said

Propofol is used in surgery as anesthesia for patients undergoing surgery. It must be given intravenously. It is not used at home for sleep by insomniacs not unless you were Michael Jackson.

Sources say that Jackson was given propofol on the day or eve of his death. They say Dr. Conrad Murray regularly administered propofol to Jackson, even though Murray is a cardiologist and therefore unlikely qualified to administer propofol.

If all of the above is confirmed, Dr Murray could be charged with manslaughter.

However, do you think is fair? If Murray gave Michael this drug, Michael allowed him to.



I'm not acquainted with the drug, but I'm sure the drug has some recommendations, cautions and contraindications for use. If the administration of this drug was used outside of what it was recommended for, yes, someone who administered it could be liable.

For example, this drug may only be recommended to be used in a hospital setting, with an anesthesiologist present, monitoring equipment operating and supervising staff present. Most anesthesic drugs are under lock and key in hospitals for this reason - the damage they can cause if used incorrectly & the very real problem of addiction to these drugs. It's not unheard of for anesthesiologists themselves to use and abuse these drugs personally.

I would imagine that only a trained anesthesiologist would be able to administer this drug in Australia. I don't know what the laws are in the US re: Propofol.

Whilst the charges for this cardiologist involved with MJ are uncertain and his involvement alleged only, I have no doubt that serious questions will be asked about how Collins got access to the drug. As a cardiologist, he should not have needed it, nor had access to it.

Any a medical practitioner owes what is known in law as a duty of care - legally, doctors are in a better position to understand what the drug might do, than MJ was. That MJ asked for it or consented to the risks involved would be a poor defense I believe. If MJ was well informed and signed a statement to that effect, I still believe negligence could be found. The dangers were obvious & any decent doctor would surely refuse.
curiouskat On February 16, 2010

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Adelaide, Australia
#4New Post! Jul 29, 2009 @ 07:53:19
Are you crazy???

Of course the doctor should be charged! If not with manslaughter then neglect, wilfull harm and murder!!!

MJ was not a doctor. As persuasive as he may have been he was not qualified to know what those drugs would do to him nor to administer them himself.

It was his doctor who was trained in such things and he would have had an idea what it could do to a frail mans body.

He chose greed over his ethics and this makes him culpable.

Just because you go to your doctor saying 'im in pain, i need morphine', does this mean your doctor will give it to you??
Xavery On August 15, 2023
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Big City, Canada
#5New Post! Jul 29, 2009 @ 17:08:48
No, I am not crazy nor do I know the answer in this case. I do know from media reports that MJ was informed the dangers of this drug and that other doctors had refused to give it to him. Michael was an adult and made the choice to allow his doctor to give the drug to him.

I think the doctor should lose his license and receive other charges - - prison time, but manslaughter --- I am not sure at this point. It seems to me MJ assisted in his own death. We will have to wait until all the facts come out.

However, as adults, are we not ultimately responsible for the informed choices we make? It is very likely Michael knew he was playing with fire.

I feel sad for Michael because it seems to me he did nothing the usual way. Most people with chronic insomnia would have taken another route. You have to wonder if he had a death wish.

I do know it is going to change the way doctors prescribe pills and drugs to the rich and famous.
amelie3 On March 07, 2010




Sydney, Australia
#6New Post! Jul 30, 2009 @ 08:48:52
@Xavery Said

I do know from media reports that MJ was informed the dangers of this drug and that other doctors had refused to give it to him. Michael was an adult and made the choice to allow his doctor to give the drug to him.

I think the doctor should lose his license and receive other charges - - prison time, but manslaughter --- I am not sure at this point. It seems to me MJ assisted in his own death. We will have to wait until all the facts come out.

However, as adults, are we not ultimately responsible for the informed choices we make? It is very likely Michael knew he was playing with fire.




At law, it would probably be felt that MJ's consent or not is not a defense.

These drugs work well no doubt & you're right, it's concerning that MJ would consent to it. Would you let a doctor come over to your house and knock you out cold like you were going into surgery? Everyone knows that one of the major risks of surgery is the anesthetic. MJ was obviously desperate - but I'd say if he's known there was a chance he'd die & leave his children behind, he would have sought another option.

Still, the doctor, if he is guilty, most likely will be charged with manslaughter. The reason for this IMO is that

1. he wasn't a trained anesthesiologist

2. he adminstered it in an unsafe environment - not in a hospital with monitoring equipment and emergency equipment on stand-by (the doctor was performing CPR when 911 were called - if he had been at a hospital he could have used a defibrillator/adrenalin)

3. He wasn't authorised to have the drug, so he would have most likely to have obtained it through illegal means

It's not the drug itself that caused MJ's death. It was most likely, the fact that it was administered by someone untrained and ill-prepared & without the emergency apparatus he would have had available in a hospital setting. That's why this guy will be in so much trouble - it's clearly medical negligence, whether MJ consented or not.
Xavery On August 15, 2023
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#7New Post! Jul 31, 2009 @ 00:55:46
Yes, I am leaning toward thinking the doctor is guilty of manslaughter too. He may have also administered some other medication on the day Jackson died, too.

Also, Jackson may have been dead a couple of hours before Dr Murray called the ambulance and then the good doctor fled the scene.

However, the children will stay with the Jacksons. Custody of the children has been settled.
amelie3 On March 07, 2010




Sydney, Australia
#8New Post! Jul 31, 2009 @ 10:56:52
@Xavery Said

Yes, I am leaning toward thinking the doctor is guilty of manslaughter too. He may have also administered some other medication on the day Jackson died, too.

Also, Jackson may have been dead a couple of hours before Dr Murray called the ambulance and then the good doctor fled the scene.



I think you are on the right track here.

We are hearing news reports that MJ was hooked up to an IV drip that administered the propofol of a night, and that someone else was in charge of coming in at 6-7am, the next day to turn the IV off, so MJ could wake up. This had allegedly been going on for several years. The trouble is, on that last morning, he didn't wake up.

I suspect as you point out, that MJ had probably been dead for many hours when he was finally found.
Xavery On August 15, 2023
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#9New Post! Jul 31, 2009 @ 23:28:11
^Agree

He is probably the only one in the world to have ever used propofol on a nightly basis to sleep.

Personally, I have done everything in my power to avoid having it given to me when I have had surgery. Usually, I beg to be frozen from below the waste.

The thing is propofol gives most people a nasty hangover. It is a heavy depressant, I suspect, and this would be why people sometimes report depression after surgery.

There were so many other drugs he could have used for his insomnia. (It seems he was not averse to using drugs for insomnia.) He should have seen a sleep specialist and got the proper treatment.
amelie3 On March 07, 2010




Sydney, Australia
#10New Post! Jul 31, 2009 @ 23:36:52
@Xavery Said


There were so many other drugs he could have used for his insomnia. (It seems he was not averse to using drugs for insomnia.) He should have seen a sleep specialist and got the proper treatment.



This is what I can't work out either. It's a very extreme way to get to sleep. Unless he had tried and become immune to the effects of every other sleeping pill on the market.....it's bizarre.

I wish MJ had spoken to me. I would have told him to have 4-5 stiff scotches each night to get to sleep. With a little bit of hot water it works a treat. Not ideal long term, but hey, I'm pretty sure he'd still be alive.
Xavery On August 15, 2023
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Big City, Canada
#11New Post! Aug 01, 2009 @ 00:47:10
LOL - - - For some reason, I have the feeling he used scotch too. It sounds like he used everything. He really needed to work with an addictions specialist. Perhaps, he should have been hospitalized and gradually taken off of propofol.

I know he checked into a hospital right around the time he was charged with child abuse. It is too bad he did not stay in the facility. Maybe, his world fell apart after he was tried for molestation.
amelie3 On March 07, 2010




Sydney, Australia
#12New Post! Aug 01, 2009 @ 23:21:51
@Xavery Said

LOL - - - For some reason, I have the feeling he used scotch too. It sounds like he used everything. He really needed to work with an addictions specialist. Perhaps, he should have been hospitalized and gradually taken off of propofol.

I know he checked into a hospital right around the time he was charged with child abuse. It is too bad he did not stay in the facility. Maybe, his world fell apart after he was tried for molestation.



Yep, agreed. His family were planning an intervention for him & I'm starting to understand why more and more all the time.

Something I'm agreed about is the payments to the doctor of $150 000. I'm wondering if that was being paid by MJ or by the tour promoters - and if so, if the tour people also knew what was going on.

You might remember the day MJ waddled into court with helpers in his PJ's during his trial. Makes a lot of sense now in hindsight.
Xavery On August 15, 2023
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Big City, Canada
#13New Post! Aug 01, 2009 @ 23:31:35
I heard that one of MJ's other prescribing doctors gave him a health clearance so he could go on tour. It had something to do with insurance.

I think Janet and La Toya actually planned an intervention for MJ when he was living in Las Vegas. He would have nothing to do with it.

Dr Conrad Murray is what they call a Mr Feel Good Doctor. I imagine these types of doctors will become a thing of the past.

Really -- in some ways -- I think that Michael treated himself for his insomnia and pain. He would just ask his "feel good doctor" for whatever worked for him.

MJ took everything too far.
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