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jwasafrog On September 18, 2010




, California
#16New Post! Nov 01, 2005 @ 04:56:53
@baker63 Said
I am not in diagreement with you about the traditions and stuff. But agian,
it was the early Catholics that decided to put in the Bible which Gospels it was going to hold
to and excludes otheres for whatever reasons. My bacic point here is that it was the "whacky"
Catholics who decided what was going to be in the Bible. Why was were Cathloics truthful
then and not now.


well... actually the Bible that catholics agree on is different than the Bible that is recognized
by the rest of christians. They have books that they consider scripture that most faiths don't.
baker63 On March 29, 2007

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, United States (general)
#17New Post! Nov 01, 2005 @ 05:01:17
@jwasafrog Said
well... actually the Bible that catholics agree on is different than the Bible that is recognized
by the rest of christians. They have books that they consider scripture that most faiths don't.



You can see at least why the Truth is a bit obscure for me. I was raised Catholic. Alter boy and all. We even held prayer meetings at our house when I was young.
jwasafrog On September 18, 2010




, California
#18New Post! Nov 01, 2005 @ 05:03:50
@baker63 Said
You can see at least why the Truth is a bit obscure for me. I was raised
Catholic. Alter boy and all. We even held prayer meetings at our house when I was young.


it seems like there are so many people who had bad experiences with catholisicm when they
were young. I really don't know what your experiences were, but it seems like catholics are
hardly ever tought why they believe what they do. Sorry if I touched a nevr with "wacky" but
that's been my experience.
baker63 On March 29, 2007

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#19New Post! Nov 01, 2005 @ 05:07:14
@jwasafrog Said
it seems like there are so many people who had bad experiences with catholisicm when they
were young. I really don't know what your experiences were, but it seems like catholics are
hardly ever tought why they believe what they do. Sorry if I touched a nevr with "wacky" but
that's been my experience.


No you didn't touch a nerve. I really didn't have any bad experiences. I just went into college believing in God in the Catholic religion and came out Believing in God, but not religion. I am very comfortable with that.
jwasafrog On September 18, 2010




, California
#20New Post! Nov 01, 2005 @ 05:08:26
@baker63 Said
No you didn't touch a nerve. I really didn't have any bad experiences. I just
went into college believing in God in the Catholic religion and came out Believing in God, but
not religion. I am very comfortable with that.


cool, honestly I think religion causes way too many problems.
mansio On December 26, 2010




France
#21New Post! Nov 01, 2005 @ 10:21:05
What the Catholic Church of Britain says is what all Catholics have been saying for decades. Parts of the Bible that contradict science have to be considered symbolically.
Pope John XXIII said that evolution is a probability and Pope John Paul II said that it is more than a probability.
The Catholic Church which was a fortress of fundamentalism (remember Galileo) has adapted to modern science.
baker63 On March 29, 2007

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#22New Post! Nov 02, 2005 @ 02:18:26
I don't see that there is any problem taking some of the stories in the Bible as symbolic. The importance of what is in the Bible is the message.
sweetrnsugar77 On December 22, 2008

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My Apartment, Oregon
#23New Post! Nov 02, 2005 @ 02:33:58
WOW, I am amazed and know not what to say.
steven On September 10, 2008




, United Kingdom
#24New Post! Nov 02, 2005 @ 03:48:28
Great book but who wrote it ? I like to kmow the authors name.
mansio On December 26, 2010




France
#25New Post! Nov 02, 2005 @ 21:18:59
I agree with Baker63. The important thing about the Bible is the message within.
steven On September 10, 2008




, United Kingdom
#26New Post! Nov 02, 2005 @ 21:26:12
So many different versions of the bible and far too many different interpretations to be of any use in this day and 'Zeitgeist.'
baker63 On March 29, 2007

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#27New Post! Nov 04, 2005 @ 13:29:31
Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science

By NICOLE WINFIELD
The Associated Press
Thursday, November 3, 2005; 7:46 PM



VATICAN CITY -- A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States.

The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

"The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said.

But he said science, too, should listen to religion.

"We know where scientific reason can end up by itself: the atomic bomb and the possibility of cloning human beings are fruit of a reason that wants to free itself from every ethical or religious link," he said.

"But we also know the dangers of a religion that severs its links with reason and becomes prey to fundamentalism," he said.

"The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity."

Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design."

Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."

"A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof."

He was asked about comments made in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, who dismissed in a New York Times article the 1996 statement by John Paul as "rather vague and unimportant" and seemed to back intelligent design.

Basti concurred that John Paul's 1996 letter "is not a very clear expression from a definition point of view," but he said evolution was assuming ever more authority as scientific proof develops.

Poupard, for his part, stressed that what was important was that "the universe wasn't made by itself, but has a creator." But he added, "It's important for the faithful to know how science views things to understand better."

The Vatican project STOQ has organized academic courses and conferences on the relationship between science and religion and is hosting its first international conference on "the infinity in science, philosophy and theology," next week.
baker63 On March 29, 2007

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#28New Post! Nov 04, 2005 @ 21:35:48
The artical above is the first I have heard of this from the Vatican
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