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roxygemini

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, Canada

#46

Jan 28, 2009 @ 06:28:38

What happens when a murderer kills and says the devil made him do it, but he wants to repent?

Tomato/Tomato.

raditz8526

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, Minnesota

#47

Jan 28, 2009 @ 06:36:18

@roxygemini Said

What happens when a murderer kills and says the devil made him do it, but he wants to repent?

Tomato/Tomato.

Then he gets to repent from the inside of a prison.

aceuvclubs

You with the face!

Seattle, Washington

#48

Jan 28, 2009 @ 06:36:53

Your dead both ways

ConfusedWishes

Reno, Nevada

#49

Jan 28, 2009 @ 06:44:15

@coal Said

Iv'e been dwelling on this thought alot lately and would like to know what all you think. In the Bible...more specifacally(sp? too tired)the Ten Commandments is a law. Most beleave it to say though shalt not kill....but thats just a bad translation. It's actually though shalt not murder, and there is a difference. If their was not a difference then God would have disobeyed his own commandment many times. He often ordered many people killed so the escpaed Hebrews from Egypt would have land to establish the nation of Isreal. So there must be a difference. This is why I get frustrated when I see people walking around outside a prison during executions holding signs that say thought shalt not kill. I heared a verse saying something along the lines of "a man that will take a life shall give his own" but I can't remember where it's at. So the difference between killing and murder is, killing is a justified act where as murder is a sin. Yet the thought also comes to mind....do we have the athority to decide wether it's killing or murder. When the Isrealites killed it was an order from God. But when a convict is "killed" it's an order from man. Seeing as how we don't have the athority to judge where someone goes after they die...do we have the authority to decide if they should die or not at all? Personally I don't think so...what do you think people?

P.S. Could we not make this thread into a discusion on wether God exsist or not.....if you wish to discuss this PM me or start a new thread....please

Legally Murder is: The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

According to the law it varies only in degree. Without first examining the biblical laws I'd say that killing is defined pretty well in the dictionary as: to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay.

Murder is just an extra word in the english language to define a meaning more precisely. God is not subject to his own laws and can grant forgiveness on his own whims. He may have ordered the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people but when they were carried out directly in his name he forgave those who killed and murdered for him. I don't see it as a matter of different terms and honeslty the whole idea contradicts itself more ways than not. Perhaps it would be best to redefine the question with less religious tone.

ie. Is it okay for us to carry out murder in the name of upholding the law and is it any different for us to do that than it would be for one human being to murder another?

ConfusedWishes

Reno, Nevada

#50

Jan 28, 2009 @ 06:46:46

@adrinachrome Said

Kinda funny though how no where on the definition of murder does it say - to kill - on the very same website.

definitely shouldn't put your faith in an online dictionary.

Murder-
1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

Edited: January 28, 2009 @ 06:48

kentoo

Salmon Arm, Canada

#51

Jan 28, 2009 @ 12:04:55

@adrinachrome Said

how can we have a different perspective of words that have a definition?

Different definitions?

Main Entry: 1kill
Pronunciation: ˈkil
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, perhaps from Old English *cyllan; akin to Old English cwellan to kill ? more at quell
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 a: to deprive of life : cause the death of b (1): to slaughter (as a hog) for food (2): to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering
2 a: to put an end to <kill competition> b: defeat , veto <killed the amendment> c: to mark for omission ; also : delete d: annihilate , destroy <kill an enemy>
3 a: to destroy the vital or essential quality of <killed the pain with drugs> b: to cause to stop <kill the motor> c: to check the flow of current through
4: to make a markedly favorable impression on <she killed the audience>
5: to get through uneventfully <kill time> ; also : to get through (the time of a penalty) without being scored on <kill a penalty>
6 a: to cause extreme pain to b: to tire almost to the point of collapse
7: to hit (a shot) so hard in various games that a return is impossible
8: to consume (as a drink) totally
intransitive verb
Take your pick

Edited: January 28, 2009 @ 12:08

DuLu

CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!

Waverly, Washington

#52

Jun 05, 2009 @ 01:22:36

murder = to unlawfully kill someone.
World Trade Center victims were unlawfully killed - there-fore they were murdered. It does not say: murder = to unlawfully, intentionally kill someone. It does not say: but if you unlawfully UNintentionally kill someone, it may not be murder. According to the definition, if you kill anyone unlawfully (without proper authority), it is murder.
KILL = to deprive of life; cause the death of; slay.
Bottom line - if people die a natural death, they just die.
a) If they die by accident (lightning), they just die.
b) If they die at the hands of someone who has proper authority to take their life - they are killed.
c) If someone dies at the hands (or as a result of irresponsibility of another person= DUI)of another person who did not have the proper authority to take that person's life - then they are murdered. Then you get into the intentional/unintentional business. This does not change the fact that a person was either killed or murdered. It just impacts on the degree or length of sentencing.

bless1990

huddersfield, United Kingdom

#53

Dec 07, 2009 @ 23:46:07

killing is a knowing what your doing and doing it for a corse, for instance if someone was to try to kill you or ur family and the only thing u could do to stop it was to take him life, then killing tht person would be a justified act but if u watch and let it be, ull be simply judged because u didnt react didnt protact and value ur life. murder is an act out of anger with the pointless reason to bring hurt and pain

calonso

Orlando, Florida

#54

Dec 08, 2009 @ 22:31:15

I think they intentionally put 'kill' instead of 'murder' to make it less specific and more inclusive. When it is in self defense for example, I don't think God's gonna be too mad at that. I think killing becomes something else entirely when sadism and selfishness is the cause.

The 9th commandment is also debatable in that it says to not 'bear false witness against thy neighbor' most people think it to mean 'thall shalt not lie' but lieing to save yourself not at someone elses expense and lieing on someone to get them in trouble are two different things.

tardcore

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Between a rock and another roc

#55

Dec 08, 2009 @ 22:39:36

@drbeaucroft Said

You did if you did it intentionally.

If you do not intentionally crash into the tree it is not murder.

boobagins

SPICY HOT TAMALES

Astral Weeks, Florida

#56

Dec 09, 2009 @ 21:49:22

@drbeaucroft Said

Both are the same thing...If you murder someone, you have killed him, and if you kill someone, you have murdered him.

That's false. If they were the same thing, one of the words (murder or killing) would not exist. You only need one word to describe one thing otherwise our language concept is flawed. Since there are two words is because they are different...may be slight, but that different enough.

The difference between murder and killing is nothing more than the intent. Murder is where you intend to kill and take a life.

Killing on the other hand does not have the direct intent to kill. The fact that loss of life occurred is nothing more than a byproduct of the actions done without the intent to kill.

soooty

Altrincham, United Kingdom

#57

Dec 11, 2009 @ 21:50:58

Ultimately killing under certain circumstances killing could be viewed as a necessary evil albiet still a crime to be judged by the laws of man, whereas murder is a sin, it goes against Gods laws. Due to this it is also against manmade law, because they are often based on religious principles. The difference is basically relative in that killing could encompase compassionate acts, but murder is a absolute sin that does not involve any compassionate act.

lynnielou

Worthing, United Kingdom

#58

Dec 11, 2009 @ 22:01:13

@drbeaucroft Said

Murder and kill are the same things.

You can accidently murder, you can accidently kill.

But its still the same. You have still killed/murdered.

I disagree, you can't accidently murder someone, surely to murder the desire to kill must be there.
You can kill someone without actually wanting to, in a car accident for example.
Although both words mean the loss of life, they are not the same.

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