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ugly_ducky On September 30, 2008




Jurassic Pond,
#1New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 20:31:41
MEXICO CITY (AP) ? A Mexican Senate committee passed a measure Wednesday urging President Felipe Calderon to send a diplomatic note to the United States protesting the deportation of an illegal migrant who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year.

The committee also approved a scholarship to help her 8-year-old U.S.-born son, Saul, who is an American citizen and stayed in the United States.

Elvira Arellano, 32, became an activist and a national symbol for illegal immigrant parents by defying her deportation order and speaking out from her sanctuary in the Adalberto United Methodist Church. She announced last week that she was leaving to try to lobby U.S. lawmakers for immigration reform.

On Sunday, shortly after she spoke at a rally in a Los Angeles church, she was arrested and deported to Tijuana, across the border from San Diego.

"For me it is very important that our government take a strong stand to defend all of us who decide to migrate to another country," she said.

https://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-08-23-mexico-immigration_N.htm?csp=34

Isn't this a bit hypocritical considering Mexico just recently deported thousands of central americans?
kayty On August 24, 2007




B-burg, Indiana
#2New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 20:43:46
@ugly_ducky Said

Isn't this a bit hypocritical considering Mexico just recently deported thousands of central americans?


Yes i do belive it is.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#3New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 20:52:23
The issue isn't so much that she's an illegal immigrant, it's that they're trying to separate her from her son. That's wrong. It's more wrong that being an illegal immigrant. She just wanted a better life for her and her son, and now they're gonna take her child from her essentially. That will be psychologically damaging to him, and he's a US citizen.
ugly_ducky On September 30, 2008




Jurassic Pond,
#4New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:06:31
It is hypocritical in that the Mexican government often critisizes the US for it's immigration policies yet have much harsher immigration laws than we do. For example, in Mexico it is a felony to be an illegal immigrant.

Mexicos's immigration laws.

* Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
* Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
* Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
* The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38 )

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

* Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
* A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
* A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

* Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
* Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116 )

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

* Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
* Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118 )
* Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

* "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
* Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
* Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

* A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
* Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#5New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:12:15
Mexico is barely able to support itself much less a bunch of immigrants. Their immigration laws would have to be stricter, or it would be a national disaster. From Mexico's perspective, the US has a much more stable government and economy, and therefore more able to allow Mexican immigration. For a country that is seen as "rich" by Mexican standards, it would seem heartless to separate a mother from her child in this manner.
ugly_ducky On September 30, 2008




Jurassic Pond,
#6New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:14:46
@lili Said
Mexico is barely able to support itself much less a bunch of immigrants. Their immigration laws would have to be stricter, or it would be a national disaster. From Mexico's perspective, the US has a much more stable government and economy, and therefore more able to allow Mexican immigration. For a country that is seen as "rich" by Mexican standards, it would seem heartless to separate a mother from her child in this manner.

So you are saying since we have more money then we should take care of their poor people?
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#7New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:14:46
Anyways, I don't see why the Mexican senate is being criticized, they are willing to give the boy a grant so he and his mother can stay together. I think that's a great decision.
ugly_ducky On September 30, 2008




Jurassic Pond,
#8New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:19:01
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Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics,"

Now imagine Mexico's reaction if the US adopted that clause into it's immigration policy.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#9New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:26:51
@ugly_ducky Said
So you are saying since we have more money then we should take care of their poor people?


Not all of them, I'm just saying in certain cases, I don't think it's necessary to separate a mother from her child. We aren't robots, just categorizing people according to rules with no intellect whatsoever. She was just working to support her kid. I mean, if she was a violent criminal, I'd understand, but she wasn't. I'm not supporting ID theft, but in this case I don't think she used it for anything other than to be able to get a job. She didn't open credit accounts or cause any monetary losses for that person. Of course it's not ideal, but she was doing what she had to do to give her son a good life, and it didn't hurt anyone else. Ideally she would have had better options, but she didn't. The visa system is a lottery. Even if you do everything right, odds are you won't get in.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#10New Post! Aug 23, 2007 @ 21:27:51
@ugly_ducky Said
Now imagine Mexico's reaction if the US adopted that clause into it's immigration policy.


If all the Mexican immigrants were deported, it would upset the US national demographics considerably.
raditz8526 On July 02, 2009

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#11New Post! Aug 24, 2007 @ 04:40:47
@lili Said
The issue isn't so much that she's an illegal immigrant, it's that they're trying to separate her from her son. That's wrong. It's more wrong that being an illegal immigrant. She just wanted a better life for her and her son, and now they're gonna take her child from her essentially. That will be psychologically damaging to him, and he's a US citizen.


Why couldn't she bring him to Mexico with her? The Mexican government wouldn't be blocking him returning with her, are they? If so, aren't they guilty of separating this family?
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#12New Post! Aug 24, 2007 @ 17:58:06
@raditz8526 Said
Why couldn't she bring him to Mexico with her? The Mexican government wouldn't be blocking him returning with her, are they? If so, aren't they guilty of separating this family?


No. Most country's citizenship rule is this: If a child is born to a citizen of their country, they are automatically a citizen as well, regardless of where they were born. The US is one of only a few countries that handles citizenship based on where the child is born. So the child is already a Mexican citizen according to Mexican citizenship rules.
My daughter is one example of this. Her father is a Canadian citizen, and I am an American Citizen. Our daughter has dual citizenship because of that. Canada will recognize both citizenships, but the US only recognizes one - it's own.
This is why they are not sending the woman's child to Mexico with her. According to US citizenship rules, a person cannot have more than one citizenship. So according to our laws, that child is a US citizen, and only a US citizen, whereas in Mexico the child would have Mexican citizenship, it's just not being acknowledged by the US.
If a person went to another country and attained a foreign citizenship, according to US law, you are voluntarily forfeiting your US citizenship, permanently. In order to get it back, you would have to apply for it like anyone else.
ugly_ducky On September 30, 2008




Jurassic Pond,
#13New Post! Aug 24, 2007 @ 18:21:31
The problem with allowing illegal immigrants to stay because they have a child born here gives them a concrete way to circumnavigate immigration laws. Why bother going through the process to come here legally when you can just scoot across the border and have a baby here?
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#14New Post! Aug 31, 2007 @ 00:28:56
@ugly_ducky Said
The problem with allowing illegal immigrants to stay because they have a child born here gives them a concrete way to circumnavigate immigration laws. Why bother going through the process to come here legally when you can just scoot across the border and have a baby here?


I agree that the way the law is set up now, it does invite this situation. So why should they punish the people involved in a situation they invited onto themselves? They should do what's right and accept the responsibility of the situation they've created. I think that US citizenship should only be granted to children who are born here AND have at least one US citizen parent at the time of their birth.
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