Democracy in the Middle East

Democracy begins at home..oh no...that's charity.

Justice begins next door (at least according to d***ens).

There isn't a "Western democracy".. We only have what is called a democracy.

Hmm the US government could just stay out of their affairs and let the other countries in the world decide for themselves when to become a democracy or if that is the best option for them. It's not like america gets a huge amount of political choice anyways they basically choose between two men to rule them anyway if both of them sported the same policy even if it was something the public was dead against one of them would still get in

true, but the US won't do that since the Middle East has the majority of the world's oil reserves.

so it's in the best interests of the US to have US-friendly leadership in those countries. which is why i suspect that when they are talking about democracy in the Middle East, they mean democracy provided only secular & US-friendly political parties win (as opposed to Islamic ones). that isn't really democracy.

The majority of the population is anti-american there is no way a democratically elected party in the east is going to be pro-america

yeah, that's my point. so we're not really bringing democracy to the Middle East since it's not in our best interest to do so. rather we want pro-western governments in place, who acts in the best interests of western nations (rather than in the best interests of their own people).

but i don't why we need to act like we're bringing democracy to the Middle East since we're not, may be it's a way to justify the war in Iraq (given we didn't find any WMD's).

if true democracy came to the Middle East, the pro-Islamic government would get elected for sure.

omg he clamps down on the muslim brother hood because hes practicly a dictator , there the only real threat to his power.

like i said come to egypt and live here and then tell me that they dont have religious law.

just because they dont explicitly have sharia law written all over there legislation.

listen he must be lying if he is said to have said that , half my friends in uni are under surveilance bedcause of stupid things like listening to goth music , some of them are under surveilance because they join anti mubarak protests or forum sites, every opponent that stands a chance against him gets thrown in jail, most recently ayman nour whos son is in a political science class with me, he was thrown in jail for 5 years.

hahhah mubarak must have some messed up image of the usa.

You have to act like that because otherwise your leaders get indited the Middle east may one day come around to a more western approach but at the moment it doesn't want to and doesn't really need to. America shouldn't get involved but it is never going to accept that because that isn't what is best for America. To some degree they also probably believe they are actually helping the people of those countries.

The middle east works okay without democracy in countries like qatar, bahrain and UAE. The US do not have any right to preach about democracy after the last two shams of presidential elections.

Unless Lebanon is not in the Middle East, your last statement would be correct. But since it is,
I say you should google Lebanese politics.

20 questions, here are some quotes that might help:


https://newsanalysis1.tripod.com/polit/id2.html

BEIRUT -- The symbolism of political dynamics in Palestinian-Israeli-
American relations this week was striking, and troubling. Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Olmert was in Washington doing the seasonal Israeli-American
love dance and celebrating the virtues of their shared democratic values. At
the same time, these same Israeli and American governments were killing
democracy in Palestine, by sending money, guns and political support to
shore up beleaguered Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in his
confrontation with the Hamas-led government that had won the January
elections.

Abbas? ultimatum/threat Thursday that he would call a national referendum if
Hamas did not within ten days accept his terms for recognizing and
negotiating with Israel heightens the absurdities that now define Israeli-
Palestinian-American relations. Students of history, political science and
physics chaos theory should document and savor these days with
enthusiasm, for rarely does one get such a chance to watch the formulation
and application of policies that are guaranteed to achieve exactly the
opposite of their intended results. Those of us who continue to marvel at the
audacity and propensity for long-term instability and violence generated by
French and British colonial policies in the Middle East in the 20th Century are
now astounded to see Israelis and Americans carry the torch of imperial
destruction and incoherence into the 21st Century.


https://newsanalysis1.tripod.com/polit/id2.html
U.S. and Israel work to overthrow new Palestinian government


For all their talk of ?spreading democracy,? the U.S. imperialists, and their
Zionist allies in Israel, have shown that they have no intention of honoring the
will of the oppressed Palestinian people, who overwhelming chose members
of Hamas to represent them in the January elections. According to an article
in the New York Times, ?The intention [of the U.S. and Israel] is to starve the
Palestinian Authority of money and international connections to the point
where, some months from now, its president, Mahmoud Abbas, is compelled
to call a new election.?
?If a Hamas government is unable to pay workers, import goods, transfer
money and receive significant amounts of outside aid, Mr. Abbas, the
president, would have the authority to dissolve parliament and call new
elections, the officials say, even though that power is not explicit in the
Palestinian basic law,? the article continued.

and also:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6583080

Perhaps what is most striking about this debate is that there was virtually no
disagreement on the facts. Three panelists argued that Hamas is a terrorist
organization. Three others responded that Hamas now leads a legitimate,
democratically elected government and is not a terrorist group.

But almost all agreed on the basic details: Hamas has targeted and killed
many civilians, and Israel's occupation has contributed to a violent political
environment. In short, this was not a debate about facts; it was a debate
about how to frame those facts.

So, how democratic are the US and Israel? You cannot enforce democracy. Cos
it wouldn't be democratic.

With America & (it's pet dog) Britain waging war on Iraq, Afganistan now Iraq's hated neighbours, Iran, there is a danger of uniting these countries to a single purpose, retaliation driven terrorist actions against both leading members of the U.S.S.A (USA & UK) therefore creating a dangerous unified peace INSIDE the middle east but bringing all their hate to our own doorstep. WELL DONE GEORGE W (w**kER?? ) BUSH!!!!!