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wakizashi On November 21, 2008




, Guatemala
#31New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 22:32:48
@taylerz Said
why what i dont understand what your questioning


You said (you) "don't think anybody suggested kids should be named but adults should be without doubt. so no im not out of my mind kids are a totally different ball game in regards of the law and are treated as such.

And I said Why. Why are kids totally different.
wakizashi On November 21, 2008




, Guatemala
#32New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 22:43:39
Lets face it this guy stole the lives of at least five people. My sister spent two years in hospital. She is now an incurable psychotic.

My older niece is a lesbian. She has gone nowhere in life since then.

Mt younger niece got pregnant at 12. Tried to kill herself 6 times before being hospitalised with an incurable psychosis.

The boy didn't speak for years.

The other girl, I don't know.

The next family he wheedled his way into were also destroyed by him.

He still walks free.
misunderstood On June 24, 2014
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#34New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 22:53:29
There's not enough justice in this world anyway, without accusing the people brave enough to stand up to their attackers
sheepy On March 23, 2010

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Treasure Island, United Kingdo
#36New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 22:56:55
She absolutely should not be named!

There are way too few convictions as it stands, as already said - anything at all which might put women off coming forward to report it must be discouraged - as if there isn't too much reluctance to report these bastards already.

If there should be any law change - it should be to not have the men named unless proven guilty - that will at least prevent the "trial by media" which will have occured in this case, and subsequent possibilities for retailiation, especially as the allegation involved children.

It only needs one person to think "well he probably did do it really - but got away with it this time", and frankly - how do we know this isn't the case - we don't.
misunderstood On June 24, 2014
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#37New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 22:58:04
Yup, it means he is not guilty (but not necessarily innocent) and she is definitely neither guilty nor innocent
mark_is_god On June 26, 2015




antrim, Ireland
#38New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 22:58:19
@misunderstood Said
There's not enough justice in this world anyway, without accusing the people brave enough to stand up to their attackers


what about the attacker, he's named before he's found guilty or inocent,
even if hes found inocent his life is ruined, people will regonise him as the "rapist" and he face name calling on the streets and other such things.
bendover On November 25, 2007

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Muff, Ireland
#39New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:11:41
@misunderstood Said
Yup, it means he is not guilty (but not necessarily innocent) and she is definitely neither guilty nor innocent



Are you applying different values on him and her?

Is his innocence not as important as her's?

In law you are innocent until proven guilty, so this guy IS innocent.

The question is now is she guilty of making false accusations and having an innocent man's reputation forever tarnished.
misunderstood On June 24, 2014
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#40New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:13:45
@bendover Said
Are you applying different values on him and her?

Is his innocence not as important as her's?

In law you are innocent until proven guilty, so this guy IS innocent.

The question is now is she guilty of making false accusations and having an innocent man's reputation forever tarnished.


I think, what it really boils down to, is the fact NOBODY should be named. Not him, or her

That way there is no false allegations lying on anyone after the trial
wakizashi On November 21, 2008




, Guatemala
#41New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:16:12
@bendover Said
Are you applying different values on him and her?

Is his innocence not as important as her's?

In law you are innocent until proven guilty, so this guy IS innocent.

The question is now is she guilty of making false accusations and having an innocent man's reputation forever tarnished.


No ben, I don't think she is applying any values at all.

I think Missy is merely stating the court verdict. The findings of the court case were exactly as Missy said.
steveuk On May 15, 2012




London, United Kingdom
#42New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:17:23
I agree 100% with Ben.

We'll forget about whether he is innocent or guilty for now - but why is it only him who's name is made public?

Now lets go back the fact that he was found 'not guilty' which, in the eyes of the law, is innocent. Why does the women get to sail away into oblivion while this guys life is probably ruined forever.

Get a grip people - you cannot apply one rule to one and another to everyone else.

If this is a fair and just system, which all law courts are set up to be, then let the same rules apply to the prosecution and defence
wakizashi On November 21, 2008




, Guatemala
#43New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:19:56
@steveuk Said
I agree 100% with Ben.

Now lets go back the fact that he was found 'not guilty' which, in the eyes of the law, is innocent.


That is not true. It means "not guilty". It doesn't mean innocent.

After all a man who is innocent of all guilt is guilty of all innocence but not vice versa.

But yeah, not naming the guy is fine. I don't have a problem with that. Naming the victim or "victim", I don't agree with under any circumstances.
steveuk On May 15, 2012




London, United Kingdom
#44New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:21:27
@wakizashi Said
That is not true. It means "not guilty". It doesn't mean innocent.


In a court of law, it is innocent until proven guilty.

He was not proven guilty ergo he is innocent
wakizashi On November 21, 2008




, Guatemala
#45New Post! Feb 12, 2007 @ 23:25:02
We are probably arguing semantics.

But, in a court of law it is purely a premise, Innocent until proven guilty....

The Judgement in Law is not given as innocent. The Judgement is given as not guilty.
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