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4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#31New Post! Dec 23, 2020 @ 03:35:58
I believe the flood was supposed to kill the giants from the Book of Enoch .
chaski On January 26, 2021
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#32New Post! Dec 23, 2020 @ 03:46:53
@4d4m Said

I believe the flood was supposed to kill the giants from the Book of Enoch .



Why do you believe that?

That certainly isn't in the bible.

Is it in some other "gospel" of yours?

Please share so we can all learn.

Note #1: Your link doesn't seem to be working.... seems to be spam... or s scam/hacker website.

Note #2: Wasn't Enoch the great-grandfather of Noah? Would he really know anything about the "flood"?

Note#3: The biblical flood story is a myth.
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#33New Post! Dec 23, 2020 @ 03:50:09
Really? I was just reading it. I try it again Book of Enoch again it doesn't work. it's bookofenoch.org

Here's the WIki I know how fond of wiki chaski is

The Book of Enoch was originally discovered in Ethiopia during the 18th century. Finding Christians in Africa was quite a shock for the Europeans. Later another copy was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
chaski On January 26, 2021
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#34New Post! Dec 23, 2020 @ 03:52:00
@4d4m Said

Really? I was just reading it. I try it again Book of Enoch

Here's the WIki I know how fond of wiki chaski is



Yes... really...

chaski On January 26, 2021
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#35New Post! Dec 23, 2020 @ 03:53:29
@4d4m Said

I know how fond of wiki chaski is



Wikipedia is ok.

Not perfect, but typically has linked "footnotes"... I'm ok with it.


Though I don't build my beliefs on it.
mrmhead On 27 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#36New Post! Dec 23, 2020 @ 15:32:14
@chaski Said

Wikipedia is ok.

Not perfect, but typically has linked "footnotes"... I'm ok with it.


Though I don't build my beliefs on it.


Gotta have faith!
GreatestIam2 On 36 minutes ago




Ottawa, Canada
#37New Post! Jan 09, 2021 @ 17:52:34
@darkman666 Said

the act of 40 days and 40 nights of rain condemn man that god want to save noah and animals only. not the human race that time?

obviously, that time, man couldn't be save by his sins.


Of course not, as we were unjustly condemned in the first place.

You want proof of this?

Just tell us what you did that was bad enough to gain you purposeless torture in hell.

Since you did nothing to deserve hell, your condemnation was obviously unjust.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On 36 minutes ago




Ottawa, Canada
#38New Post! Jan 09, 2021 @ 17:55:48
@4d4m Said

I believe the flood was supposed to kill the giants from the Book of Enoch .


That book is not in the cannon.

That aside, scriptures say that Yahweh was angry with his son's of god using the Earth as a brothel.

Strange that Yahweh let that happen and forced him to genocide his own grand children. Only a satanic god would kill when he could just as easily cure.

Regards
DL
darkman666 On about 1 hour ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#39New Post! Jan 09, 2021 @ 20:35:15
@GreatestIam2 Said

Of course not, as we were unjustly condemned in the first place.

You want proof of this?

Just tell us what you did that was bad enough to gain you purposeless torture in hell.

Since you did nothing to deserve hell, your condemnation was obviously unjust.

Regards
DL



one of the main reason, why god brought jesus to earth started christianity. there was to much violent on the earth, which then was, in sense, back then, human nature.

in moses's time, more barbarian ways of destruction, man didn't learn the lesson, god was teaching them with jesus.

the unjust at the time, they weren't going to listen to god. enter: the rain!
GreatestIam2 On 36 minutes ago




Ottawa, Canada
#40New Post! Jan 09, 2021 @ 20:58:06
@darkman666 Said

one of the main reason, why god brought jesus to earth started christianity. there was to much violent on the earth, which then was, in sense, back then, human nature.

in moses's time, more barbarian ways of destruction, man didn't learn the lesson, god was teaching them with jesus.

the unjust at the time, they weren't going to listen to god. enter: the rain!


You do not deny that you were unjustly judged. Yet you do not seem to care.

As to Jesus, only immoral people will abdicate their responsibilities for their sins and put them onto another, going against what Jesus taught.

You do what you complain about in others.

Regards
DL
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#41New Post! Jan 12, 2021 @ 19:33:58
@GreatestIam2 Said

That book is not in the cannon.

That aside, scriptures say that Yahweh was angry with his son's of god using the Earth as a brothel.

Strange that Yahweh let that happen and forced him to genocide his own grand children. Only a satanic god would kill when he could just as easily cure.

Regards
DL


Because those who took over Christianity (Romans) decided not to include a book in the cannon doesn't make it irrelevant. In fact, one might question why did they not include it, possibly making it more relevant.
GreatestIam2 On 36 minutes ago




Ottawa, Canada
#42New Post! Jan 19, 2021 @ 17:46:46
@4d4m Said

Because those who took over Christianity (Romans) decided not to include a book in the cannon doesn't make it irrelevant. In fact, one might question why did they not include it, possibly making it more relevant.


One never knows how a myth or fantasy literature will effect people.

Regards
DL
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#43New Post! Jan 19, 2021 @ 19:12:21
It's a guide to understand things not all can see or hear. The prophets were writing down history as they saw it knowing the players would repeat their patterns in the future. In this way the writings serve as a warning and a guide for future generations.

The Romans knew this and recognized some of the major players as their own so they rewrote it to benefit themselves. Hence, it is often backwards. Because of the perspective and the rewrites inconsistencies and contradictions arise to those who study it. These can be explained by observing current events and through archeological and historic study.

It should be noted there is still a concerted effort to rewrite the bible, in particular the NIV (New Improved Verstion), or the "I Know We Can Make This Thing Make Us Look Good" Version.
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#44New Post! Jan 19, 2021 @ 19:17:34
There is also effort put forth to rid the world of this historic evidence.

Anti Isreali sentiment (archeology - Dead Sea Scrolls)
Anti Semitic acts and trends in general and throughout the history of Rome and European Roman Catholicism to include the Spanish Inquisition and the Holocaust
Constant strife in Ethiopia
Ransacking of the Museum of Baghdad
Military control of Egypt and oppression of the Coptics, (Nag Hamadi Texts)
The persecution of the Kurds because of the Yazidi minority to include their recent abandonment by the US in Syria and labeling of the PPK as a terrorist group. They also suffer persecution by the Turks, Iraqis and Iranians.
chaski On January 26, 2021
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#45New Post! Jan 19, 2021 @ 19:25:35
@4d4m Said

It's a guide to understand things not all can see or hear.


The bible? Not really.

@4d4m Said

The prophets were writing down history as they saw it knowing the players would repeat their patterns in the future. In this way the writings serve as a warning and a guide for future generations.


No. "The prophets" did not write the bible.

@4d4m Said

The Romans knew this and recognized some of the major players as their own so they rewrote it to benefit themselves.


The Bible? No. the Romans did not rewrite the Bible. There is not evidence that the Romans rewrote any of the Old Testament.

As to the New Testament... "the Romans" under Constantine complied what we now call the New Testament. They didn't actually write it. They chose the books that they wanted and rejected the books they didn't want.

@4d4m Said

Because of the perspective and the rewrites inconsistencies and contradictions arise to those who study it.


There are inconsistencies and contradictions, but not because of the Romans.

@4d4m Said

These can be explained by observing current events...


Nope.

@4d4m Said

It should be noted there is still a concerted effort to rewrite the bible, in particular the NIV (New Improved Verstion), or the "I Know We Can Make This Thing Make Us Look Good" Version.


A more accurate way to put that is there are and have been continuing efforts to go back to the original source text and make the translations more accurate.

However, if you actually read multiple versions of the bible you will find that the translations are actually very consistent with each other. The changes have had very little impact on the over all book.

Of course, you would have to read and study the bible to honestly be able to speak to what it does or does not say, as well as to its meaning.
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