Assassination of Iranian Nuclear Scientist

NE, Ohio

Nov 29, 2020 @ 21:15:34

RT News article

Changing stories of how it happened.
Does it change the list of suspects?

I would wonder why Israel would stir the s*** right before a change here in the states - knowing how entwined we are in both.

I wouldn't put it past trump wanting to stir the s*** before the turnover. But I'd hope there are still some sensible heads in the way that would stop this.

Having just watched both Sicario's, kind of makes you wonder who would benefit from stirring the s***.

First thoughts are UAE or the other "buddies" on that ME agreement...

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chaski

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#2

Nov 30, 2020 @ 00:36:42

The suspects:

2. Israel
1. Israel doing it for the USA

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4d4m

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#3

Nov 30, 2020 @ 02:29:59

The scientist was killed by a suicide bomber. That means he was a Muslim. There have been ongoing anti government movements in Iran for a while now. Our press does not mention it all that much. Solomeini had threatened to overthrow President Houshani's government because they weren't dealing with the dissenters harshly enough. The US wisely zapped him with a drone strike.

The Iranian government and their state owned press will naturally attribute the attack to the US and Israel because they don't want to bring attention to their inner turmoil. Also, members of their own society who wish to overthrow their own government are more likely to join up with such movements when a successful strike happens.

The execution of the scientist was done by a faction within Iran. The dissidents are probably unhappy with the pursuit of nuclear capabilities and see that if the US were to invade Iran the common people are the ones most likely to suffer. The most interesting thing is this was not a strike by a secular group but a Muslim group disaffected with the Ayatollah.

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chaski

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#4

Nov 30, 2020 @ 05:21:08

@4d4m Said

The scientist was killed by a suicide bomber.

1st - Apparently this

is incorrect.

Aljazeera is reporting that Fakhrizadeh was shot “by terrorists” in his vehicle in Absard, a suburb in eastern Tehran, later succumbing to his wounds in what was described as a “martyr’s death”, according to Iran’s foreign ministry.

2nd - Even if he was killed by a suicide bomber, what makes you think that the CIA and/or Mossad couldn't stage it?

3rd - Iran pretty much considers Israel (and the USA for that matter) to be terrorists.

When making definitive statements, you should consider providing your source(s).

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Edited: November 30, 2020 @ 05:25

4d4m

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#5

Nov 30, 2020 @ 08:43:49

I was just reading up on this story. I had pulled up an article from 2012 detailing the last scientist that got killed. My bad.

According to konniemoments It was a group of 12 assassins who used gunfire.

Then, according to the NY Post The State news said it was a 62 man hit squad.

Then (about 2 hrs ago) according to CNN the Iranian State News is saying it was a remote controlled machine gun.

All of this story changing to make sure it sounds like a well equipped and trained hit squad of a state actor. A hit squad that, despite knowing Fakhrizadeh was driven around in a bullet proof vehicle, attacked with gunfre.

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4d4m

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#6

Nov 30, 2020 @ 08:51:27

From the NY Post article
“The team knew exactly the date and course of the movement of the Fakhrizadeh protection convoy in the smallest details,” Ahwaze’s sources told him, allowing them to cut the scientist off as he went to his private villa in Absard."

"Shortly before Fakhrizadeh drove through their ambush site, the team “cut off the electricity completely from this area” to slow reports of their assassination and any calls for help, the reporter said."

because obviously they wouldn't have cell phones

"Fakhrizadeh was traveling in the middle of three bulletproof cars, with the killers striking after the first car entered a roundabout, the report said."

"A booby-trapped Nissan was then detonated to block the car behind Fakhrizadeh — as 12 gunmen pounced on him, arriving in a Hyundai Santa Fe and four motorbikes, Ahwaze tweeted."

The car behind Fakhrizadeh had a Nissan between it and the vehicle it was protecting?

“After the car bomb was detonated, 12 operatives opened fire towards Fakhrizadeh’s car and the first protection vehicle,” his thread said."

“According to Iranian leaks, the leader of the assassination team took Fakhrizadeh out of his car and shot him and made sure he was killed.”

So basically their cars aren't very bullet proof and the drivers were killed. Either that or they are mentally challenged because they aren't supposed to stop.

"None of the hit squad were wounded or arrested during the gunbattle with the Iranian’s bodyguards, Ahwaze said."

Of course, because they don't have any Israelis or Americans to parade in front of the TV screen. They may have actually caught some or all of the perp(s) but we'll never know. If they did catch anyone they weren't foreigners.

The next article details the Iranian State News saying there were also 50 people in a logistics and support role. That is where they get their 62 number from. Of course they didn't catch or kill any of them. Not sure how they know there is 50 more helping out.

Basically if you believe anything you hear from the Iranian State News or from a reporter "sneaking the word out" (means intentionally leaked misinformation - CIA does it all the time) you're out of your mind

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Edited: November 30, 2020 @ 09:02

chaski

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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#7

Nov 30, 2020 @ 15:57:43

@4d4m Said

From the NY Post article
“The team knew exactly the date and course of the movement of the Fakhrizadeh protection convoy in the smallest details,” Ahwaze’s sources told him, allowing them to cut the scientist off as he went to his private villa in Absard."

"Shortly before Fakhrizadeh drove through their ambush site, the team “cut off the electricity completely from this area” to slow reports of their assassination and any calls for help, the reporter said."

because obviously they wouldn't have cell phones

"Fakhrizadeh was traveling in the middle of three bulletproof cars, with the killers striking after the first car entered a roundabout, the report said."

"A booby-trapped Nissan was then detonated to block the car behind Fakhrizadeh — as 12 gunmen pounced on him, arriving in a Hyundai Santa Fe and four motorbikes, Ahwaze tweeted."

The car behind Fakhrizadeh had a Nissan between it and the vehicle it was protecting?

“After the car bomb was detonated, 12 operatives opened fire towards Fakhrizadeh’s car and the first protection vehicle,” his thread said."

“According to Iranian leaks, the leader of the assassination team took Fakhrizadeh out of his car and shot him and made sure he was killed.”

So basically their cars aren't very bullet proof and the drivers were killed. Either that or they are mentally challenged because they aren't supposed to stop.

"None of the hit squad were wounded or arrested during the gunbattle with the Iranian’s bodyguards, Ahwaze said."

Of course, because they don't have any Israelis or Americans to parade in front of the TV screen. They may have actually caught some or all of the perp(s) but we'll never know. If they did catch anyone they weren't foreigners.

The next article details the Iranian State News saying there were also 50 people in a logistics and support role. That is where they get their 62 number from. Of course they didn't catch or kill any of them. Not sure how they know there is 50 more helping out.

Basically if you believe anything you hear from the Iranian State News or from a reporter "sneaking the word out" (means intentionally leaked misinformation - CIA does it all the time) you're out of your mind

Reads just like a U.S. special forces (SEALS or Delta Force), CIA and/or Mossad operation.

Except the "...50 people in a logistics and support role.." part. That looks like a bull sht number.

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Edited: November 30, 2020 @ 16:04

chaski

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#8

Nov 30, 2020 @ 16:10:41

And from CNN, "The Fars News report said Fakhrizadeh was traveling with his wife in a bulletproof car, alongside three security personnel vehicles, when he heard what sounded like bullets hitting a vehicle, and he exited the car to determine what had happened.

When he got out, a remote-controlled machine gun opened fire from a Nissan stopped about 150 meters (164 yards) from Fakhrizadeh's car, the agency said."

Should have stayed in the bulletproof car.

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4d4m

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#9

Nov 30, 2020 @ 19:19:24

There's no way that was Mossad or the US. There may be some backing for members of anti government forces in Iran. But this was done by Iranian members of anti Shia rule forces.

Here's a link Wikipedia to some info on the domestic unrest currently under way in Iran. Some people even protesting for the return of the Shah. Shah Pahlavi died in 1980 so I'm not sure what they mean; maybe a return to a constitutional monarchy under his son (now in exile).

If a professional state backed assassination was attempted they would have just blown up the car or planned a hit at the place where he was due to enter or exit the vehicle. There's no way operatives would attempt it with 12 gunmen. We have no way to verify the Iranian story either. It may be complete bs, hyped up to appear to have been executed by a state actor.

It is common for dictators to draw on fear of foreign forces when there is discord in their nation. Whenever the economy went to crap or there was a political scandal in Argentina, the government would start propaganda about the "Malvinas." They even tried invading the islands at one point.

The Iranian press is cooking up a distraction to take steam away from anti Theocracy forces in their own nation, nothing more. It is even possible they killed the guy themselves if they thought he was turning against them.

If you get bored and have the time here's a good movie on You Tube

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Edited: November 30, 2020 @ 19:27

mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#10

Nov 30, 2020 @ 21:45:57

@chaski Said

And from CNN, "The Fars News report said Fakhrizadeh was traveling with his wife in a bulletproof car, alongside three security personnel vehicles, when he heard what sounded like bullets hitting a vehicle, and he exited the car to determine what had happened.

When he got out, a remote-controlled machine gun opened fire from a Nissan stopped about 150 meters (164 yards) from Fakhrizadeh's car, the agency said."

Should have stayed in the bulletproof car.

Yeah, that part was a little confusing too ... He thought there was an accident or mechanical problem so he got out.

If that was his regular route, then it wouldn't be too hard to figure out where he'd be when...

I wonder what version will be made into the movie?

Or maybe a "documentary" re-enacting all the various versions.

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chaski

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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#11

Nov 30, 2020 @ 21:49:46

@4d4m Said

There's no way that was Mossad or the US.

Bull s***. You literally have no proof of that statement... and we know the USA has killed other Iranians.

@4d4m Said

Here's a link Wikipedia to some info on the domestic unrest currently under way in Iran. Some people even protesting for the return of the Shah. Shah Pahlavi died in 1980 so I'm not sure what they mean; maybe a return to a constitutional monarchy under his son (now in exile).

Right Wikipedia is the go to source for who assassinated whom.

@4d4m Said

If a professional state backed assassination was attempted they would have just blown up the car or planned a hit at the place where he was due to enter or exit the vehicle. There's no way operatives would attempt it with 12 gunmen. We have no way to verify the Iranian story either. It may be complete bs, hyped up to appear to have been executed by a state actor.

You know nothing about special forces operations.

Your killing me with laughter.

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#12

Dec 01, 2020 @ 01:23:15

And the plot thickens

A senior commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was killed in a drone strike near the Syrian-Iraqi border Sunday night, according to reports, just two days after the assassination of Iran’s top nuclear scientist.

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#13

Dec 01, 2020 @ 01:26:52

The IRGC is considered a terrorist organization, so the US could claim a "right" to do so...

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#14

Dec 01, 2020 @ 01:29:47

April 8, 2019
Statement from the president:

Today, I am formally announcing my Administration’s plan to designate Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), including its Qods Force, as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. This unprecedented step, led by the Department of State, recognizes the reality that Iran is not only a State Sponsor of Terrorism, but that the IRGC actively participates in, finances, and promotes terrorism as a tool of statecraft. The IRGC is the Iranian government’s primary means of directing and implementing its global terrorist campaign.

This designation will be the first time that the United States has ever named a part of another government as a FTO. It underscores the fact that Iran’s actions are fundamentally different from those of other governments. This action will significantly expand the scope and scale of our maximum pressure on the Iranian regime. ...

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4d4m

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#15

Dec 01, 2020 @ 02:36:22

This thing is getting blown out of proportion, the whole thing is being drummed up - another distraction; possibly mutually beneficial. The wiki entry from before ( here it is again wikipedia ) is about the ongoing popular movement against the Iranian government from inside it's own borders.

The story from the Iranian press has been changed, with more little things being added to it. Each time the tale gets a little bigger. It is obvious they are altering the story to make it appear Israel is involved. The only reason to do that is because they know damn well they weren't.

Using Israel as an excuse gets all the anti semite muslims (that means most from my experiences) to stop thinking about the Ayatollah and start thinking about Israel. White supremacists in our country do the same thing.

Here's a related Post

Like most international events this looks like it's being created out of nothing.

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Edited: December 01, 2020 @ 02:52

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