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Jennifer1984 On about 11 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Sep 30, 2020 @ 20:36:33
Democracy in UK is under an even greater threat from today.

Schools in England are now no longer permitted to use any materials in the classroom that have been produced by organisations that don't support capitalism.

Opposing capitalism has been designated as "An extreme political stance" equivalent to endorsing illegal activity.

It is, of course, still permitted to use materials that have an anti-socialist agenda.

Schools In England Told Not To Use Materials Provided By Any Organisation That Does Not Endorse Capitalism

This is clearly an attack on democracy because for democracy to work in any country requires a well informed and educated population that has both sides of the debate available in order to make up their mind.



We are seeing the first steps towards a totalitarian state.
dookie On about 5 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Oct 01, 2020 @ 07:44:58
And always as the slippage occurs the way is paved with euphemisms and under cover of good intentions, newspeak and assurances.

Here is a "Government Spokesperson" speaking of the latest idea of our current Government to use disused ferries, even oil rigs, off the coast to house asylum seekers (reported in The Times) This after consideration by Priti Patel of using Ascension Island......


"The UK has a long and proud history of offering refuge to those who need protection. Tens of thousands of people have rebuilt their lives in the UK and we will continue to provide safe and legal routes in the future.

"As ministers have said we are developing plans to reform policies and laws around illegal migration and asylum to ensure we are able to provide protection to those who need it, while preventing abuse of the system and the criminality associated with it."


So yes, a "long and proud history", now under threat.
Jennifer1984 On about 11 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Oct 01, 2020 @ 09:04:02
Maybe a long and proud history, but a dreadful future lurking in wait.
mrmhead On 19 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#4New Post! Oct 01, 2020 @ 15:06:40
Not sure who's taking queues from who, but the debate over education has been happening over here too.

One side wants to teach more of the real American history - including it's failings and atrocities, and the other wants to spin history as "America has always been the greatest and always good"

I think that certainly plays into the idea that Democracy works when all are well informed.


I don't necessarily need to dredge up the statistics on education level and voting tendencies in the last presidential election

... but I guess I just kind of did
dookie On about 5 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Oct 01, 2020 @ 16:07:20
@mrmhead Said




I don't necessarily need to dredge up the statistics on education level and voting tendencies in the last presidential election

... but I guess I just kind of did



Well, after the 2016 EU Referendum the demographic analysis and various other statistics were made known. That the lower the education level the more likely to have voted Leave was evident......but this became the big unmentionable, as us Brits are very polite and fair minded (ha ha..... ) So we can only mention the fact that the older you were, the more likely to have voted Leave (which is an even more damning and tragic fact in my opinion)
bob_the_fisherman On November 05, 2020
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#6New Post! Oct 02, 2020 @ 23:14:21
@Jennifer1984 Said

Democracy in UK is under an even greater threat from today.

Schools in England are now no longer permitted to use any materials in the classroom that have been produced by organisations that don't support capitalism.

Opposing capitalism has been designated as "An extreme political stance" equivalent to endorsing illegal activity.

It is, of course, still permitted to use materials that have an anti-socialist agenda.

Schools In England Told Not To Use Materials Provided By Any Organisation That Does Not Endorse Capitalism

This is clearly an attack on democracy because for democracy to work in any country requires a well informed and educated population that has both sides of the debate available in order to make up their mind.



We are seeing the first steps towards a totalitarian state.





I can see why they want to get rid of the umm... "education" that made you think moving towards socialism is moving towards democracy.

That is exactly like saying "Getting a** cancer makes you healthier."
Jennifer1984 On about 11 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Oct 03, 2020 @ 05:17:07
@bob_the_fisherman Said


I can see why they want to get rid of the umm... "education" that made you think moving towards socialism is moving towards democracy.

That is exactly like saying "Getting a** cancer makes you healthier."



It's a matter of opinion as to whether socialism is good or bad for democracy. To the best of my knowledge, the Labour Party has never lied to the Queen or attempted to illegally prorogue Parliament in order to a) prevent being held to account, and b) pass Acts by 'timing out' the mechanism to oppose them.

But whichever way you look at it, the move by the Tories this week to black list materials for schools for political reasons is without doubt the act of an authoritarian government taking the first of which I suspect will be many steps towards totalitarianism.

And a totalitarian state cannot, by definition, be democratic.
bob_the_fisherman On November 05, 2020
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#8New Post! Oct 03, 2020 @ 05:38:42
@Jennifer1984 Said

And a totalitarian state cannot, by definition, be democratic.



I agree, and that is why across the west we need to take fairly drastic action. Especially in relation to education. We need to end the anti-western propaganda from the left. When a lot of people now think silencing political opponents who advocate freedom is a good thing, and they outright advocate Nazi ideas on race and think they are perfectly reasonable (things like 'you can not discriminate against a privileged race' and "social justice" needs to be employed to end their privilege), we have a definite problem.

I think it is fair to say by definition that as a state moves toward the left it moves towards authoritarianism. It can not happen any other way. Sure, you could claim that everyone might agree to move towards equality of outcome, but that would never happen (no matter how much people are coerced as children).
dookie On about 5 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#9New Post! Oct 03, 2020 @ 07:52:05
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I think it is fair to say by definition that as a state moves toward the left it moves towards authoritarianism.



You might think it is a "fair" thing to say, but as you also said way back, all this "left" v "right" stuff is pretty simplistic.

The trouble is Bob, having once said that you "love a good argument" you have undermined each and every post you make, at least for me.
dookie On about 5 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#10New Post! Oct 24, 2020 @ 11:18:24
It's a well known thing that the UK' current PM dislikes PMQ (Prime Ministers Questions) which take place every wednesday in the House of Commons. It is NOT a joke or an exaggeration to say that Mr Johnson objects to being questioned, and more, objects to the Opposition opposing him.

Is this serious? Well, this attitude seems to be filtering down. The programme Newswatch (BBC)appears to regularly feature viewers who object to our current Government being criticised in any way. "Too much of it" etc etc. "Let us support our leaders". Well yes, balance is everything to a certain extent.

Anyway, the slippage goes on. Minds and hearts are being won or lost.
Jennifer1984 On about 11 hours ago
Returner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Oct 24, 2020 @ 14:17:46
@dookie Said

It's a well known thing that the UK' current PM dislikes PMQ (Prime Ministers Questions) which take place every wednesday in the House of Commons. It is NOT a joke or an exaggeration to say that Mr Johnson objects to being questioned, and more, objects to the Opposition opposing him.

Is this serious? Well, this attitude seems to be filtering down. The programme Newswatch (BBC)appears to regularly feature viewers who object to our current Government being criticised in any way. "Too much of it" etc etc. "Let us support our leaders". Well yes, balance is everything to a certain extent.

Anyway, the slippage goes on. Minds and hearts are being won or lost.



It depends who is doing the winning and who is doing the losing.
dookie On about 5 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Oct 24, 2020 @ 14:54:51
@Jennifer1984 Said

It depends who is doing the winning and who is doing the losing.



Serco are winning at the moment, the company hosting the creation of the UK's "world beating" Test and Trace System, which does not work. The one costing £12bn but crashed at bit after a glitch was found in the software of an Excel Spreadsheet from Microsoft Office (price £59 on the open market) Handed £108m of taxpayers money to create the call centres, Serco have just posted three month profits of £165m and so shareholders are due a good dividend.......this called the "trickle down effect" I believe. i.e. If you are a shareholder AND a tax-payer you get some of your money back.

The latest from "Global Britain" is the outsourcing (after the "success of Serco) of the deportation of our Asylum Seekers. Read all about it.....

HERE

At least I can still be just a touch satirical here. The edge seems to have been taken off of "Have I Got News For You", but that could just be my perception.
mrmhead On 19 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#13New Post! Oct 24, 2020 @ 15:04:51
@dookie Said

It's a well known thing that the UK' current PM dislikes PMQ (Prime Ministers Questions) which take place every wednesday in the House of Commons. It is NOT a joke or an exaggeration to say that Mr Johnson objects to being questioned, and more, objects to the Opposition opposing him.

Is this serious? Well, this attitude seems to be filtering down. The programme Newswatch (BBC)appears to regularly feature viewers who object to our current Government being criticised in any way. "Too much of it" etc etc. "Let us support our leaders". Well yes, balance is everything to a certain extent.

Anyway, the slippage goes on. Minds and hearts are being won or lost.



We used to have regular White House press briefings early on in this administration. But since the questions got harder, and the press secretary had to increasingly dodge or lie, they are almost a thing of the past now.
Jennifer1984 On about 11 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Oct 25, 2020 @ 06:28:44
No government ought to be without censors, and where the press is free, none ever will (Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Washington, 1792)


Until, that is, the press is in the pocket of the government.

Too much of the British press has sold its freedom.
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