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mrmhead On 46 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#1New Post! Oct 12, 2020 @ 23:07:10
I've heard of it in passing, and casually learned it is a project by New York Times on history from the point of view of Black Americans. (Note: I am severely simplifying it)

So then I see it again as someone railing about our state Board of Education on "pushing its curriculum"
So I look a little closer:
First thing I find is some Goldstein guy from "State of Ohio Director and General Counsel of Proclaiming Justice to the Nations" Whoa! Sounds "Important" and almost official.
He too is railing directly to the board of education on the "communist" push of the 1619 Project curriculum. ... or was it the push of the "communist 1619 Project curriculum" ... whatever

So I look a little closer:
The best I can tell the 1619 Project was listed as a source of reference for classes by BOE. As was some historical Jewish artist, National Geographic, and other such resources.

So I look a little closer:
Proclaiming Justice to the Nations, inc.
chapters all over, blah blah, political s***. Definitely pro-Jewish, not that there's anything wrong with that.

So I look a little closer:
They are listed under Southern Poverty Law Center as an anti-Muslim hate group.

Need I look a little closer at 1619 Project? Is it a plot to overthrow America by communism ... or socialism ... or insanity-ism?
mrmhead On 46 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Oct 12, 2020 @ 23:09:52
Oh, btw - I only used google, so I was probably steered directly to that conclusion by the deep state AI and evil doers of the universe.
chaski On about 13 hours ago
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#3New Post! Oct 13, 2020 @ 00:44:08
@mrmhead Said

Oh, btw - I only used google, so I was probably steered directly to that conclusion by the deep state AI and evil doers of the universe.



Yes... Google is Azazel incarnate... or in virtual reality.
mrmhead On 46 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#4New Post! Oct 13, 2020 @ 01:18:30
How legit is the SPLC with all their different lists?

chaski On about 13 hours ago
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#5New Post! Oct 13, 2020 @ 01:24:54
@mrmhead Said

How legit is the SPLC with all their different lists?




They are one of those groups that ranges from fully reliable to "let's slip this one past the willfully gullible"....


...which sadly undermines their position.




But I could be wrong.



gakINGKONG On about 11 hours ago




, Florida
#6New Post! Oct 13, 2020 @ 12:33:30
SPLC has gone to the dogs.
DiscordTiger On about 8 hours ago
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Emerald City, United States (g
#7New Post! Oct 15, 2020 @ 07:04:04
from what I understand 1619 had some flaws over the very complicated role of slavery in all 13 colonies. Even at the beginning not every agreed with it(slavery, not the 1619 project itself), but not everyone was willing to end it because they benefited from it economically. (so not much has changed, in that respect). Though lots of people disagree with 1619 for a lot of reasons.

I don't remember it being part of a socialist plot other than, it tends to give history from the perspective of slaves, and their importance to our country, and that black lives and contributions do matter, and all things democrat/liberal revisionist are socialist and marxist and every other anti-democratic insulting phrase you can come up with. So combined with their shoddy fact checking on the basic complicated details made it a little more "biased" than it claimed to be. Though one could argue if anything about history or journalism is really neutral... everything has a perspective, usually the victors write the history/news.

This was a first attempt to remedy that on a large scale, as opposed to a book or two here or there like "things my teacher didnt tell me" and the truth about Sally Hemings and Henrietta Lacks-- though Lacks is a much more modern example.

I don't remember splc having a problem with them, but i may have missed something. 1619 does not do nuance well, and sometimes that nuance can matter and will get flagged by splc.

It's nature of defining a dog-whistle and how much meaning is left unsaid. The whole point of saying something in a "dog-whistle" way is so that you have plausible deniability...so in many cases identifying that is like nailing jello to a wall. Sometimes splc goes too far, sometimes not far enough.
mrmhead On 46 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#8New Post! Oct 15, 2020 @ 11:51:59
@DiscordTiger Said

from what I understand 1619 had some flaws over the very complicated role of slavery in all 13 colonies. Even at the beginning not every agreed with it(slavery, not the 1619 project itself), but not everyone was willing to end it because they benefited from it economically. (so not much has changed, in that respect). Though lots of people disagree with 1619 for a lot of reasons.

I don't remember it being part of a socialist plot other than, it tends to give history from the perspective of slaves, and their importance to our country, and that black lives and contributions do matter, and all things democrat/liberal revisionist are socialist and marxist and every other anti-democratic insulting phrase you can come up with. So combined with their shoddy fact checking on the basic complicated details made it a little more "biased" than it claimed to be. Though one could argue if anything about history or journalism is really neutral... everything has a perspective, usually the victors write the history/news.

This was a first attempt to remedy that on a large scale, as opposed to a book or two here or there like "things my teacher didnt tell me" and the truth about Sally Hemings and Henrietta Lacks-- though Lacks is a much more modern example.

I don't remember splc having a problem with them, but i may have missed something. 1619 does not do nuance well, and sometimes that nuance can matter and will get flagged by splc.

It's nature of defining a dog-whistle and how much meaning is left unsaid. The whole point of saying something in a "dog-whistle" way is so that you have plausible deniability...so in many cases identifying that is like nailing jello to a wall. Sometimes splc goes too far, sometimes not far enough.


Thanks

The part about SPLC is that they listed "Proclaiming Justice to the Nations" as anti-muslim hate group. And PJTN is against the "1619 Project"

But what me got started digging in on this was that "some" people were claiming that our school boards are "pushing the 1619 Project Curriculum", where all I can find is it is listed as an approved reference for classes.
DiscordTiger On about 8 hours ago
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#9New Post! Oct 15, 2020 @ 18:39:21
Yeah, it got tied up in the trump/GOP narrative that socialist are trying to re-write our history and brainwashing our children with learnings that slavery was not happy thing and slaves did not enjoy it. Or that slave owners were good people because they feed their slaves and didn’t let them get bored.
I think it’s right up there with the resistance against implicit bias training.
chaski On about 13 hours ago
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#10New Post! Oct 16, 2020 @ 01:18:21
1619 – In Jamestown, Virginia, the first English-speaking representative assembly in the Americas, the House of Burgesses, convenes for the first time.

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4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#11New Post! Oct 23, 2020 @ 20:43:10
In the future, people are going to look back on the Black experience in history and trip out on it. They will see slavery, the death of Reconstruction, the civil rights movement and the current crisis in history books and think of our society as fascist. They will also come to regard those who stood out in an oppressive world as heroes.
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