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GreatestIam2 On about 5 hours ago




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 20:25:45
Is Yahweh breaking an objective moral tenet?

I have found few examples of an objective moral tenet but think that, --- the good of the many, outweighs the good of the few, --- to be an objective moral tenet. It seems correct in all situations.

You might disagree with an example where this tenet is not objective or applicable.

Yahweh seems to put the good of the few ahead of the good of the many. Scriptures indicate that the many will end in hell while the few will end in heaven.

In thinking of this, I also thought that Yahweh was breaking another moral tenet by putting his life above his own child’s. He sent Jesus to die instead of stepping up himself, to appease his own wrath against man.

Should fathers put themselves and their lives above their children’s, or should fathers protect their children at all costs?

I know that few like to answer moral questions as we all have a bit of moral coward in us.

Do try to answer both of my questions please.

Regards
DL
darkman666 5 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#2New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 21:24:03
i think back then, god believe that jesus first, not him. the people might not understand his concept like they did with jesus. maybe, god thought he came down himself being kill before the people understand him.

god forced himself to send down jesus, not choice, by disciple and principle.
gakINGKONG On 45 minutes ago




, Florida
#3New Post! Jun 01, 2020 @ 21:51:34
@GreatestIam2 Said

Is Yahweh breaking an objective moral tenet?

I have found few examples of an objective moral tenet but think that, --- the good of the many, outweighs the good of the few, --- to be an objective moral tenet. It seems correct in all situations.

You might disagree with an example where this tenet is not objective or applicable.

Yahweh seems to put the good of the few ahead of the good of the many. Scriptures indicate that the many will end in hell while the few will end in heaven.

In thinking of this, I also thought that Yahweh was breaking another moral tenet by putting his life above his own child’s. He sent Jesus to die instead of stepping up himself, to appease his own wrath against man.

Should fathers put themselves and their lives above their children’s, or should fathers protect their children at all costs?

I know that few like to answer moral questions as we all have a bit of moral coward in us.

Do try to answer both of my questions please.

Regards
DL


My goal is to have as many children as possible in hopes that some don't starve.


No, I absolutely put my life above my kid's life. My kid's life doesn't rate a close third. Both biological sons are doing well. We've done quite a bit (too much in my opinion) to help out kids who are now grown.
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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#4New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 01:14:45
@gakINGKONG Said

My goal is to have as many children as possible in hopes that some don't starve.


So some of them can eat the others...

@gakINGKONG Said

I absolutely put my life above my kid's life. My kid's life doesn't rate a close third. Both biological sons are doing well. We've done quite a bit (too much in my opinion) to help out kids who are now grown.



Not at all surprising.
darkman666 5 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#5New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 01:26:36
all old macdonald's children has four legs and tails live on a farm, old macdonald didn't have a wife, had a lot of children with four legs with tails.

the original classic children's title:

BEWARE FARM ANIMINALS, OLD MACDONALD HAS A FARM !!
4d4m On September 20, 2020




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#6New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 04:32:57
Do you think God sent Jesus to die? Jesus died a martyr for a belief. Isn't the RC Church coming up with a story (360 years later) about how God sent him to die simply stealing the man's thunder?
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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#7New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 04:48:20
@4d4m Said

Isn't the RC Church coming up with a story (360 years later) about how God sent him to die simply stealing the man's thunder?



The Jesus is the son of god stuff predated the RC church.

Strictly speaking the RC didn't start until about 1054 with the Great Schism.

Just saying.

These sorts of things are why it is essentially to both fully read the bible (first word to last word) as well as study its history (and the history of the christianity), if one wants to be correct (or at least have a basis of fact for one's opinion) when discussing either the bible and/or christianity.

Again... just saying.
4d4m On September 20, 2020




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#8New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 06:55:02
The Great Schism refers to the official break of ties between the two already existing Roman churches. Each had their own "Pope," one in Italy and one in Constantinople. They were the Latin church and the Greek church based on the languages they used. They became the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. The Romans, however, took over Christianity and started defining it to fit their own purposes in 325ad with the First Counsel of Nicaea. The RC church claims it's roots to that time. The idea of Jesus being the Son of God originate with the story of his debate with the Pharisee who is trying to get him to commit the crime of blasphemy. Jesus answers by quoting the Tanakh " We are all son's and daughters of God the Most High" and by referring to himself as the "Son of Man"
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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#9New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 14:49:24
Someone has been reading Wikipedia...

@4d4m Said

The Great Schism refers to the official break of ties between the two already existing Roman churches. Each had their own "Pope," one in Italy and one in Constantinople. They were the Latin church and the Greek church based on the languages they used. They became the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches.


While your terminology is off, this is mostly correct.

@4d4m Said

The Romans, however, took over Christianity


Yes... though more accurately it was the Emperor Constantine who took over Christianity.
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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#10New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 15:07:49
@4d4m Said

The idea of Jesus being the Son of God originate with...



The idea of Jesus being the son of god has numerous justifications, many predating his life. The justifications starts with the old testament prophesies, not new testament discussions with Pharisee.

Of course the idea of a savior/hero/messiah being the son of god goes back even farther as it is a pretty standard mythological motif.

In terms of the origin of Jesus actually being called the son of god, that comes from Paul... Acts if I'm not mistaken. Of course that assumes that Paul was a real person.
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#11New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 15:15:23
@4d4m Said

Roman Catholic



And... if you continue your Wikipedia research I think you will find that the term "Roman Catholic" came into use in the 16th century.

4d4m On September 20, 2020




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#12New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 20:01:55
I didn't learn this from wikipedia, I learned it in school studying early Christianity. It may be true but if you ask a Roman Catholic priest he will say his church started in the 4th Century.
4d4m On September 20, 2020




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#13New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 20:25:36
The reason I use wikipedia links in here is because it's free and readily accessible to the reader. If I were to say buy a book that wouldn't be useful. Here's a list if you are interested, these were all part of the syllabi and I still own them.

"The Complete Gospels" by Robert J Miller
"The Lost Gospels, The Book of Q and Christian Origins" by Burton L Mack
"The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls, 7th Edition" by Geza Vermes
"The Nag Hamadi Library" by James M Robinson
4d4m On September 20, 2020




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#14New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 20:32:41
"The first known use of the phrase "the catholic church" (καθολικὴ ἐκκλησία he katholike ekklesia) occurred in the letter written about 110 AD from Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans."

That is from Quote of St Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans (c. 110 AD): "Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal [katholike] Church."

from "The Catholic Encyclopedia" Thurston and Herbert, 1908
4d4m On September 20, 2020




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#15New Post! Jun 03, 2020 @ 20:37:25
This is also fairly important

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ashgP4YMdJw
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