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Jennifer1984 On April 04, 2020
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Mar 10, 2020 @ 16:40:22
The virus should bring this message home in no uncertain terms to those who shout out loud about closing borders to refugees.

4d4m On about 9 hours ago




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#2New Post! Mar 10, 2020 @ 19:23:29
@Jennifer1984 Said

The virus should bring this message home in no uncertain terms to those who shout out loud about closing borders to refugees.




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DiscordTiger On about 8 hours ago
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#3New Post! Mar 10, 2020 @ 23:31:47
You’d think.

But that would require empathy.


I get your point though, I’m just jaded by humans as a whole.
bob_the_fisherman On April 04, 2020
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#4New Post! Mar 14, 2020 @ 00:29:02
There is no difference between buying a packet of pasta and illegally entering another country and then acting against the interests of the country you illegally entered. None. They are exactly the same thing...


/end sarcasm.

That said, I wonder how many people genuinely feel antagonism towards legitimate refugees leaving a war torn area? Probably not too many. The problem arises, I think, when they are no longer legitimate refugees and continue on as economic migrants, or, they move to a western nation and take advantage of it - as happens quite a lot in certain communities that shall remain nameless.

It's difficult, because the west should never have gotten involved in wars in the Middle East in the first place, so I do feel sorry for people fleeing these places. They are in a situation they should not be in. Although; life under the regimes in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan etc., is extremely unpleasant if you have a moral compass too. So there is no easy answer.

My attitude is that we should take legitimate refugees, however, we should reserve the right to remove them if they try in any way to force their legal system on us, or, if they bring their tribal conflicts with them. We should offer support to them (especially the kids) as some of them have witnessed unimaginable horrors, and we should give them a grace period to adjust to life in a free nation, but we should also act to protect what is left of the free world.

Not everyone will agree with me of course, but that's ok.
bob_the_fisherman On April 04, 2020
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#5New Post! Mar 26, 2020 @ 01:48:44
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543

This story is a case in point. A young man who is illegally in the UK has regularly caused trouble, is known to be a dealer of drugs, has engaged in violent crime, threatened to kill people, and is now coughing in the faces of old people yet is allowed to walk the streets freely. This type of thing builds anger, hate and resentment, and is not conducive to "social unity" that the political class says they want yet actively work to destroy.

As an aside the "passerby" who protected the old couple from the group of young thugs was a man we know well here - the Right Honourable Thomas Robinson, AKA Sir Steven Yaxley-Lennon.

Notice how the BBC that normally drools over the prospect of smearing Tommy can not find an angle in which to make him the bad guy so just leaves his name out? Any doubt that these guys are nothing but hateful lying propagandists is now gone.

What a reprehensible group of s*** weasel nonce defending chattering class shills they are.
gakINGKONG On about 7 hours ago




, Florida
#6New Post! Mar 26, 2020 @ 03:44:45
It's not so bad. Its possible to survive and recover.
Cpat92 On April 02, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#7New Post! Mar 26, 2020 @ 04:11:19
@Jennifer1984 Said

The virus should bring this message home in no uncertain terms to those who shout out loud about closing borders to refugees.




I understand your point on this.
bob_the_fisherman On April 04, 2020
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#8New Post! Mar 26, 2020 @ 08:55:17
@Cpat92 Said

I understand your point on this.



I do too. It's just that the point is bigoted, completely emotive, illogical and wrong.

How many people actively oppose legitimate refugees seeking asylum? In western nations the answer would be, "an extremely small minority."

There is a difference between disliking immigrants and disliking the way immigration is being applied, or, the way some immigrants are allowed to behave. The emotive, illogical leftists tend to conflate these issues to make themselves appear virtuous.

I do not care about skin colour or nation of origin or anything else. If you engage in certain behaviours you need to be removed from the general population, and if you were born elsewhere you need to be returned to your nation of birth if such behaviours continue or reach a certain threshold.

As I said above, we should try to help people who come from areas of long term conflict, especially kids. Having taught quite a few such kids I know some of their back stories and they are hideous. Some of them act violently, and I think we fail them by not trying to counsel them though their problems.
PsyLvr On April 01, 2020




Northern California, Californi
#9New Post! Mar 28, 2020 @ 19:21:04
The Native Americans didn't do a very good job of defending their borders -- how did THAT work for for them?

Right now, Europe has no borders ... how's THAT working out for them?
mrmhead On about 14 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#10New Post! Mar 28, 2020 @ 21:14:08
@bob_the_fisherman Said

There is a difference between disliking immigrants and disliking the way immigration is being applied, or, the way some immigrants are allowed to behave. The emotive, illogical leftists tend to conflate these issues to make themselves appear virtuous.



Yes, "leftists" embrace MS-13, drug cartel and sex traffickers, just like the trumpsterf*** minions and Fox News says.

OF COURSE it is the way immigration is being implemented. Starve the resources needed to address the situation and you will have people going around the system to save their children's lives.

But it is the Conservative/GOP play to say all illegals are rapists or drug lords.
PsyLvr On April 01, 2020




Northern California, Californi
#11New Post! Mar 28, 2020 @ 22:18:17
But it is the Conservative/GOP play to say all illegals are rapists or drug lords.

No it's not.
Come on.

So ALL conservatives are racists?

All conservatives are conservative. That means that they (we) believe in a national identity, and therefor borders.

Of course, it does not hurt when all illegals happen to be rapists or drug lords ... oh jeeze, just kidding.
mrmhead On about 14 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#12New Post! Mar 28, 2020 @ 22:58:47
@PsyLvr Said

But it is the Conservative/GOP play to say all illegals are rapists or drug lords.

No it's not.
Come on.

So ALL conservatives are racists?

All conservatives are conservative. That means that they (we) believe in a national identity, and therefor borders.

Of course, it does not hurt when all illegals happen to be rapists or drug lords ... oh jeeze, just kidding.


... right

"I suppose some of them may be OK"
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