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gakINGKONG On about 8 hours ago




, Florida
#16New Post! Mar 25, 2020 @ 12:11:36
evil

End thread goodnite everyone
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#17New Post! Mar 25, 2020 @ 13:28:07
@Cpat92 Said

Well, can you say you truly have an open mind if you continuously call those who differ from you immoral? Can you say they have a close mind yet call yourself open-minded if you are quick to shut them down?


Are you suggesting that only closed minds can opine?

My open mind is capable of judging moral values and expressing them. In fact, that expression shows I have an open mind as it invites criticism which I look at and evaluate to see if they have trumped my position or not. If they have, that is great as I learn something of value and happily change my mind.

A closed mind would not change in spite of the evidence.

I never shut anyone down when they are arguing of doing apologetics.

I shut them down when they start name calling of the argument/debate is over.

If you have seen otherwise, please show where so that I might apologise to the poster.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#18New Post! Mar 25, 2020 @ 13:52:51
@Electric_Banana Said

Version 1: The children became judgemental and forgot how to love uncondtionally

Version 2: If you have a trouble pupil, make knowledge a taboo

Version 3: Now with the knowledge but still without intelligence humans set forth invoking technology and machines which destroyed them and their world

Version 4: They no longer had access to life now with the knowledge that they were fake.

Myself: I don't want to be a god; I just want clear and uninfluenced access to my instincts and intuition which might be borrowed from a higher intelligence.

Institutions and organizations will always have agendas that defy a higher wisdom (ie; Christianity back-handedly promoting conditional acceptance, elitism and encourages it's participants to ostracize those whom don't subscribe.)


1 If unconditional love exists, then so does unconditional hate in our dualistic universe.

2 Adam could not be labelled as a trouble student as he had yet to become a student given that the school had yet to be entered by his eating of knowledge.

3 Knowledge creates intelligence in sentient beings.

4 They had life and live for 900 = years. Not that any intelligent person would believe that nonsense.

I don't understand what you meant by fake.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#19New Post! Mar 25, 2020 @ 13:53:21
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#20New Post! Mar 25, 2020 @ 13:55:50
@gakINGKONG Said

evil

End thread goodnite everyone


Why?

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#21New Post! Mar 25, 2020 @ 14:02:03
@Electric_Banana Said



1 Myself: I don't want to be a god; I just want clear and uninfluenced access to my instincts and intuition which might be borrowed from a higher intelligence.

2 Institutions and organizations will always have agendas that defy a higher wisdom (ie; Christianity back-handedly promoting conditional acceptance, elitism and encourages it's participants to ostracize those whom don't subscribe.)


1 Your instincts call you to be the fittest. That fittest human ideology is what all the gods are described as when you take foolish supernatural thinking out of the discussion.

What higher intelligence did you have in mind, if any?

2 All a religion is, is a tribal unit, and the qualifiers you put are exact.

We as individuals have the same basic qualifiers for ourselves. No?

Regards
DL
Cpat92 On April 02, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#22New Post! Mar 26, 2020 @ 02:20:33
@GreatestIam2 Said

Are you suggesting that only closed minds can opine?

My open mind is capable of judging moral values and expressing them. In fact, that expression shows I have an open mind as it invites criticism which I look at and evaluate to see if they have trumped my position or not. If they have, that is great as I learn something of value and happily change my mind.

A closed mind would not change in spite of the evidence.

I never shut anyone down when they are arguing of doing apologetics.

I shut them down when they start name calling of the argument/debate is over.

If you have seen otherwise, please show where so that I might apologise to the poster.

Regards
DL



It's not about apologizing, but more about awareness. Just because your open mind is capable of judging, doesn't mean that you should. This is something I had to learn as well. This can also lead to closing open minds and turning people away. Casting judgment is something we all must be careful about.
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#23New Post! Mar 26, 2020 @ 14:23:02
@Cpat92 Said

It's not about apologizing, but more about awareness. Just because your open mind is capable of judging, doesn't mean that you should. This is something I had to learn as well. This can also lead to closing open minds and turning people away. Casting judgment is something we all must be careful about.


The only issues where we should not judge is if we are ignorant of those issues.

If you have an open mind, judging things you know about is a must, as how else will you find out if you are wrong?

Fence sitting only drives a picket up your ----

Regards
DL
Electric_Banana On 43 minutes ago




, New Zealand
#24New Post! Mar 27, 2020 @ 02:50:18
@GreatestIam2 Said

1 Your instincts call you to be the fittest. That fittest human ideology is what all the gods are described as when you take foolish supernatural thinking out of the discussion.

What higher intelligence did you have in mind, if any?


That's just it, I don't think the intelligence is derived from just one entity but I couldn't describe the all of it as I trust I don't have complete and clear access to all of it's knowledge or wisdom; it lends me a five; not it's entire estate.

@GreatestIam2 Said

2 All a religion is, is a tribal unit, and the qualifiers you put are exact.

We as individuals have the same basic qualifiers for ourselves. No?

Regards
DL



Yeah, unfortunately, for survival's sake and lack of time, we often times can be petty and cold-shouldering with our personal judgments despite those judgments based only on stereotypes we, ourselves, have assigned to certain like mindsets because of repeat bad interactions with those mindsets in the past.
Cpat92 On April 02, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#25New Post! Mar 27, 2020 @ 06:38:27
@GreatestIam2 Said

The only issues where we should not judge is if we are ignorant of those issues.

If you have an open mind, judging things you know about is a must, as how else will you find out if you are wrong?

Fence sitting only drives a picket up your ----

Regards
DL



That is where you are wrong, unfortunately. Just because you are open-minded doesn't give you the right to judge anyone. To find out if you are wrong on something, you can simply do other things besides judge someone. You can ask questions, debate, do research, have conversations with individuals knowledgable in something you don't understand, etc. Judging is not used to help you find out you are wrong. Even if you learn you are wrong, it will push people away from you.
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#26New Post! Mar 27, 2020 @ 18:53:53
@Cpat92 Said

That is where you are wrong, unfortunately. Just because you are open-minded doesn't give you the right to judge anyone. To find out if you are wrong on something, you can simply do other things besides judge someone. You can ask questions, debate, do research, have conversations with individuals knowledgable in something you don't understand, etc. Judging is not used to help you find out you are wrong. Even if you learn you are wrong, it will push people away from you.


You began with , ---- doesn't give you the right to judge anyone.

as you judge my right to judge.

Rather ironic. No?

Regards
DL
Cpat92 On April 02, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#27New Post! Mar 28, 2020 @ 00:38:49
@GreatestIam2 Said

You began with , ---- doesn't give you the right to judge anyone.

as you judge my right to judge.

Rather ironic. No?

Regards
DL



There is no judgment coming from my end.
teapottraveler On March 31, 2020




Detroit, Michigan
#28New Post! Mar 29, 2020 @ 23:54:03
Hi, I'm new here and thought this was interesting.

Not sure how the quote function works yet but in your op, the scripture you quoted Gen 3:5 was regarding the story of Eve being tempted in garden by the serpent.

In this story, I interpreted it as an illustration of outside influence and suggestion... not that Eve had a natural desire or inclination to be like God or "a God". My mind associates this scenario to the way a narcissist/sociopath influences or manipulates a persons perception to gain control over their actions. The serpent put something in Eve's ear and she went for it. Turns out it was a lie because she ate the fruit and we still don't know squat.

In my experience, it isn't so much that most people desire to "be" god but more so they want the answer to existential questions. Is wanting/having the answers only reserved for God? I personally don't think so. But I do find it interesting how religions liken the two together and use biblical text to persuade people against even asking questions.

**thanks for the alan watts, I had not heard of him
Electric_Banana On 43 minutes ago




, New Zealand
#29New Post! Apr 01, 2020 @ 20:43:55
@Cpat92 Said

There is no judgment coming from my end.



I think Greatest means a different type of judgement from the one your thinking..or at least a different level.

On lesser judgments we choose who we let in on our lifestyles; people we date or hang around as friends. I think this is what Greatest means

The level of Judgement I think you are mistaking him for is the level where in one's judging is a detriment to their subject such as sicking guards or police on a man whom your judgments have illustrated may be a crook thereby only making difficulty for an, otherwise, innocent individual and getting them into trouble unnecessarily
Or over-looking your subject's application for employment because you saw him holding a beer at a baseball game last week and by your sense of ethics no decent human drinks a beer.

Avoiding others on close intimate levels is fair judgement and only to the benefit of our safety

However judgement should never be mixed with commerce only reasonable discern based on the subject's past dealings and with respectful consideration that everyone changes and matures with time.
GreatestIam2 On April 03, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#30New Post! Apr 01, 2020 @ 20:51:34
@teapottraveler Said

Hi, I'm new here and thought this was interesting.

Not sure how the quote function works yet but in your op, the scripture you quoted Gen 3:5 was regarding the story of Eve being tempted in garden by the serpent.

In this story, I interpreted it as an illustration of outside influence and suggestion... not that Eve had a natural desire or inclination to be like God or "a God". My mind associates this scenario to the way a narcissist/sociopath influences or manipulates a persons perception to gain control over their actions. The serpent put something in Eve's ear and she went for it. Turns out it was a lie because she ate the fruit and we still don't know squat.

In my experience, it isn't so much that most people desire to "be" god but more so they want the answer to existential questions. Is wanting/having the answers only reserved for God? I personally don't think so. But I do find it interesting how religions liken the two together and use biblical text to persuade people against even asking questions.

**thanks for the alan watts, I had not heard of him


It is about outside influence for sure.

That was the sin that preceded anything Adam did.

Either the serpent or the god who put her there to tempt Eve.

I do not agree with us knowing squat.

The religious know enough to keep their vile laws away from out better secular laws.

Regards
DL
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