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Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh? Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Ada

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4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#46New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 04:39:43
You know I was reading through some of these posts and I noticed something. Satan, the serpent and Lucifer are not the same being.
The other thing I probably should mention is the idea of sin as "missing the mark." In that sense being deceived could be a sin. However as someone pointed out, the serpent did not lie. God did not kill Eve, they did learn the bit about good and evil.
There's a question there as well. The idea of good and evil as opposed to "missing the mark." What kind of morality are we talking about? Are we talking about a real morality or the Law of Man? Did they possibly learn how to manipulate through false morality?
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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#47New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 04:42:34
@4d4m Said

You know I was reading through some of these posts and I noticed something. Satan, the serpent and Lucifer are not the same being.



Wait!

What!



How long did it take you to figure that out!?

4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#48New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 04:43:58
I've known that for a long time, but for some reason I was getting the feeling some of the posters where using them interchangeably. Anyway, maybe it will stimulate some conversation.
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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#49New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 04:46:17
@4d4m Said

I've known that for a long time, .


I find that astonishingly hard to believe.
mrmhead 3 minutes ago




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#50New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 13:16:52
@4d4m Said

You know I was reading through some of these posts and I noticed something. Satan, the serpent and Lucifer are not the same being.



As I understood it, and remembered it - and I just did some Port80 research to check -

Lucifer was a fallen angel that "became" Satan.

As a result of this heinous sin against God, Lucifer was banished from living in heaven (Isaiah 14:12). He became corrupt, and his name changed from Lucifer (“morning star”) to Satan (“adversary”).

I wasn't sure about "The Serpent" thing, but some indications are that Satan was speaking through The Serpent, and the serpent wasn't an embodiment of satan.
There were references to that "Being Similar" to King Tyre (I know nothing about that story)

I also ran across this quote (reference) - twice actually - about Original (beginning of) Sin:
Lucifer became so impressed with his own beauty, intelligence, power, and position that he began to desire for himself the honor and glory that belonged to God alone. This pride represents the actual beginning of sin in the universe—preceding the fall of the human Adam by an indeterminate time.


Article


Of course, this is all based on interpretation and re-writes, because nobody had an iPhone to record the thing and post on Facebook.
darkman666 5 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#51New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 16:14:55
Our text tells us that this king was a created being and left the creative hand of God in a perfect state (Ezekiel 28:12,15). And he remained perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him (verse 15b). What was this iniquity? We read in verse 17, “Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor.” Lucifer apparently became so impressed with his own beauty, intelligence, power, and position that he began to desire for himself the honor and glory that belonged to God alone. The sin that corrupted Lucifer was self-generated pride.

Apparently, this represents the actual beginning of sin in the universe—preceding the fall of the human Adam by an indeterminate time. Sin originated in the free will of Lucifer in which—with full understanding of the issues involved—he chose to rebel against the Creator.

i was looking at this section, lucifer is a woman not a man. let us the god created lucifer, not as his son, but his daughter to be evil came first to earth. then later, god's son, jesus came to earth.

in sense, lucifer and jesus are really brother and sister.
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#52New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 04:26:22
Wasn't the serpent a dragon that was forced to crawl because he had gone against the other dragons, or something to that effect?
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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#53New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 04:29:34
@4d4m Said

Wasn't the serpent a dragon that was forced to crawl because he had gone against the other dragons, or something to that effect?



Where did you get that from?
darkman666 5 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#54New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 04:34:14
i thought dragons are fictional creatures than real animals.has scientists found fossil's data or bones that dragons actually exist?
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#55New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 04:45:13
Revelations 12:9
Where they call Satan, the Devil, the dragon and the serpent all in one sentence
This is all about Serpents in the Bible
This is Bereis*** (Genesis) 3:14 the verse about God making the serpent crawl on the earth. So I suppose he wasn't crawling before and maybe had legs?
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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#56New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 05:16:54
@4d4m Said

Revelations 12:9
Where they call Satan, the Devil, the dragon and the serpent all in one sentence
This is all about Serpents in the Bible
This is Bereis*** (Genesis) 3:14 the verse about God making the serpent crawl on the earth. So I suppose he wasn't crawling before and maybe had legs?



Again, where did you get the part about ”a dragon that was forced to crawl because he had gone against the other dragons”?
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#57New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 05:19:30
@4d4m Said

So I suppose he wasn't crawling before and maybe had legs?



Yes,

Based on the mythology serpents had legs before god removed them as punishment for convincing Eve to eat the fruit.

Of course we know it is just mythology, for many reasons including the fact that snakes don’t eat dust.

Maybe the story is really about earthworms.
4d4m On about 11 hours ago




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#58New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 05:59:43
Earthworms, yes maybe because they eat dirt!
Don't know if you noticed but from the wiki "No serpent, no animal of any kind, is called Satan, or Belzebub, or Devil, in the Pentateuch."
Then I put up the Revelations bit from the visions given to John from a dreamweaver where it's claimed they are all the same.
GreatestIam2 On about 2 hours ago




Ottawa, Canada
#59New Post! Feb 19, 2020 @ 15:46:30
@darkman666 Said

mostly likely, body language, telepathy, and instincts works as one, depending if you know how to use them at one time, not separately.


If you are using telepathy, you do not need body language or instincts.

Trying to use all 3 characteristics likely screws up telepathy. IDK.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On about 2 hours ago




Ottawa, Canada
#60New Post! Feb 19, 2020 @ 15:50:56
@chaski Said



Cast into Eden? Do you mean cast out of Eden? .


The serpent is the first to use deception on earth, and that power of deception, we are told, was specifically given to Satan.

She was either in Eden as the talking serpent, or Christians have to see the serpent as the first liar.

Can dumb animals sin? No. Can serpents talk human? No.

Regards
DL
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