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4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#91New Post! Dec 01, 2019 @ 18:39:15
Back to that screwed up link. It won't work with https format, it's http only. I spent all morning figuring that out-just call me mr computer savvy.

https://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/CIA%20Reporters%20New%20York%20Times%20Series%2012-25-77/Item%2007.pdf

is the correct one. I have it downloaded now and would be happy to load it on here except I'm not sure how or if that's ok.

I'm editing this post - The software on The Forum Site automatically changes it from http which is what I just typed, to https. So to make that link work erase the "s" from the end then you can copy/paste to you browser
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#92New Post! Dec 01, 2019 @ 19:14:32
We should start a history of the CIA thread. That's a case study in and of itself.

Successful revolution is a term I think we should define. I mean could we count a revolution assisted or orchestrated by the KGB or the CIA as a successful one? If not we could eliminate any that occurred during the cold war. Recently there was the Arab Spring. The revolution in Libya to oust Khadafi seemed to be successful. But in Egypt there still is a military junta, Syria isn't working out so well. Right now there is unrest in Iran - that will get sabotaged if they start to fear a US invasion.
chaski On about 6 hours ago
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#93New Post! Dec 01, 2019 @ 19:48:00
@4d4m Said

Back to that screwed up link. It won't work with https format, it's http only. I spent all morning figuring that out-just call me mr computer savvy.

https://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/CIA%20Reporters%20New%20York%20Times%20Series%2012-25-77/Item%2007.pdf

is the correct one. I have it downloaded now and would be happy to load it on here except I'm not sure how or if that's ok.

I'm editing this post - The software on The Forum Site automatically changes it from http which is what I just typed, to https. So to make that link work erase the "s" from the end then you can copy/paste to you browser



I still can't access it.

No worries...

> Yes the CIA exists.
> Yes they have done many things.
> Yes some of those things were of questionable ethical and questionable moral nature.
> Yes some of their mission was to counter communism and the USSR.
> No, that was not their only mission.
> Yes, the CIA periodically tried to influence news media outlets around the world.
> Yes, he CIA periodically tried to influence news media outlets around in the USA.

> Did the CIA ever own or control a news media outlet in the USA... not likely. But, if they did it would have been part of a very specific mission with the goal targeting foreigners.

In law enforcement it is not uncommon for law enforcement organizations to open companies. These are typically called "store front operations". The companies are limited in business focus and are typically short lived. Example: A pawn shop used for the purpose of catching criminals trafficking in stolen goods.

In the intelligence community and anti-terrorism operations, similar things are done. In the anti-terrorism operations it is typically along the lines of cash and weapons.... in the intelligence world it is typically either to assist an operation, manage money or to push intelligence (and yes, that includes misinformation that might go through a news media outlet).

The CIA's operations and purpose relates to issues external to the USA. Why? Because it is the FBI that has the jurisdiction within the USA... both agencies are very territorial.

Do the FBI and CIA ever cross paths? Yes.
Do the FBI and CIA ever work together? Yes.
Often? No... they are like children that don't play well together in the sand box.

etc.
mrmhead On 25 minutes ago




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#94New Post! Dec 01, 2019 @ 20:28:34
@chaski Said

Ok. I have a book that proves everything I say... you can't read it... but it proves everything I say... therefore I am right about... whatever...






Could a democracy gone wrong be a one that is no longer a democracy? Yes. That is a reasonable theory... democracy gone wrong is not longer a democracy.

could the illusion of democracy be proliferated, carried on past the point the country became an oligarchy?

If you are referring to the USA, some would argue that the USA is an oligarchy.

And on the other hand, those who claim that the USA is a true democracy do not know what a true democracy is. The USA is a republic with some democratic like systems in place. Similarly, the USSR was never a true communist state... it was a totalitarian state with some communist like institutions....

etc.


We also have some socialism sprinkled in, but don't tell the wing-nuts that ... They'll blame Obama
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#95New Post! Dec 01, 2019 @ 21:06:15
@mrmhead Said

We also have some socialism sprinkled in, but don't tell the wing-nuts that ... They'll blame Obama



Well, let's be honest here: EVERYTHING bad is Obama's fault, and EVERYTHING good is the GREATEST BIGLY BESTEST EVER and comes from Trump.
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#96New Post! Dec 02, 2019 @ 07:51:14
A splash of socialism indeed. Here's something readers may find interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_United_States_support_for_the_Khmer_Rouge
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#97New Post! Dec 03, 2019 @ 02:37:13
You're pretty much right about the CIA and the FBI. The CIA was designed to gather intelligence for the protection of US interests and security. During wartime the CIA intelligence work was based on that of the OSS. The gathering of intelligence to help in the tactical and overall conduct of war. Remember today there are a lot of other agencies taking up parts of that role.
The FBI on the other hand is one of the law enforcement agencies of the Federal Government ( see US Border Patrol, US Railroad Police, US Marshals, US Secret Service, US Coast Guard, the ATF, the BIA Police, NCIS formerly NIS and CID).
The FBI's jurisdiction is Federal crimes, those that cross state borders or are listed as actual federal offenses. Most FBI agents have their degrees in business or business law and investigate business fraud.
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#98New Post! Dec 03, 2019 @ 02:47:07
Dude I will email that pdf to you if you like, add me as a friend.
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#99New Post! Dec 12, 2019 @ 08:58:27
Back to the Avalanche Theory; how to get rid of the hippies and the black people? One way might be to try to start a race war and blame it on the environmentalists ala Charley Manson. This could be inspired by televising the beating of a black man by police. If that doesn't work the cops would have to be let off the hook. Once the desired race war was activated it could be an excuse to suspend the constitution, round up the undesirables and put them in camps. Since there would be little or no accountability Jews could also be thrown into the mix.
mrmhead On 25 minutes ago




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#100New Post! Dec 12, 2019 @ 17:13:54
@4d4m Said

Back to the Avalanche Theory; how to get rid of the hippies and the black people? One way might be to try to start a race war and blame it on the environmentalists ala Charley Manson. This could be inspired by televising the beating of a black man by police. If that doesn't work the cops would have to be let off the hook. Once the desired race war was activated it could be an excuse to suspend the constitution, round up the undesirables and put them in camps. Since there would be little or no accountability Jews could also be thrown into the mix.


I think the logistics of any kind of roundup to this scale in America would be pretty much impossible.
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#101New Post! Dec 13, 2019 @ 01:08:45
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/95379.Behold_a_Pale_Horse

Here's a book that would disagree with that statement. In it is documented all the logistics for exactly such a scheme. Below is the author's wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper

and an article on his death

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cooper10.htm
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#102New Post! Dec 13, 2019 @ 01:11:38
Also, in Nazi Germany the holocaust went on without the outside worlds knowledge for some time. Such was the level of deception the US Army officers felt impelled to video document the evidence for posterity.
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#103New Post! Dec 15, 2019 @ 05:33:09
Here's a news story on the Chinese camps for the re-education of the Uighurs

https://wtop.com/asia/2019/12/china-tightens-info-control-after-leaks-on-detention-camps/
chaski On about 6 hours ago
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#104New Post! Dec 15, 2019 @ 06:47:50
@4d4m Said

Also, in Nazi Germany the holocaust went on without the outside worlds knowledge for some time.



I'm sorry, but the thought that the "outside world" (i.e. the governments by way of they various intelligence agencies of the various countries of power... aka the "western world"...) didn't know what Nazi Germany was doing to the Jews (and other ethnic minorities) from the proverbial "get go"... is naive.
4d4m On June 29, 2020




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#105New Post! Dec 15, 2019 @ 08:13:03
I absolutely agree. They didn't reveal that information to their respective populaces. Their knowledge didn't do much to help the plight of the Jews. The D Day invasion came just in time to stop the Nazis from developing the atomic bomb.
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