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crusty_fart On May 27, 2022




Somewhere, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Oct 18, 2019 @ 15:13:29
The Laws of Robotics are mentioned sometimes. But are they really realistic? They were created in a work of FICTION, yes FICTION in order to provide in a narrative in a story about how they are not followed.

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First Law
A robot may not harm a human or through inaction allow harm to come to a human.

The first law is the law that is impressed into the positronic brain the firmest, and overrides both of the other laws.




So how would you realistically program this into a robot? Can it see the future. Which humans? Which actions? Which humans will be harmed if it does not act?

Will we program a robot to perform CPR? How long does a person have to be dead for for CPR not to be carried out (the robot revolution of robots digging up corpses to perform CPR, yeahhhhh). How do you even put this into a computable algprithm and code it. Do people who believe this garbage even know what a computable algorithm is?


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Second Law
A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.


Potentially any action could harm a human. Dense idea.


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Third Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.


What if a robot uses resources that could be used by a human. Humans will die.

My conclusion is the laws of robotics are cool in a story to provide a narrative, but in reality they are not computable.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Oct 18, 2019 @ 18:23:42
@crusty_fart Said


So how would you realistically program this into a robot?


That's the point. The technology will be advanced enough so that you don't have to "program" anything.

Lay down a few basic laws and AI / Machine Learning will take it from there.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#3New Post! Oct 18, 2019 @ 22:56:05
@crusty_fart Said

The Laws of Robotics are mentioned sometimes. But are they really realistic? They were created in a work of FICTION, yes FICTION in order to provide in a narrative in a story about how they are not followed.
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Yes... FICTION.

(You should read the FICTION, if you haven't.)

Of course we don't presently have any robots that have the "AI" capabilities of the robots in said FICTION that presented the "laws of robotics"

AND

Of course the issues you bring up are actually integral to the stories: They are exactly what the FICTION is about... the question(s) of "the laws of robotics" and the various paradoxes that surround them.

To borrow....

Laws are implicit in the design of almost all tools, robotic or not":[14]

Law 1: A tool must not be unsafe to use. Hammers have handles and screwdrivers have hilts to help increase grip. It is of course possible for a person to injure himself with one of these tools, but that injury would only be due to his incompetence, not the design of the tool.

Law 2: A tool must perform its function efficiently unless this would harm the user. This is the entire reason ground-fault circuit interrupters exist. Any running tool will have its power cut if a circuit senses that some current is not returning to the neutral wire, and hence might be flowing through the user. The safety of the user is paramount.

Law 3: A tool must remain intact during its use unless its destruction is required for its use or for safety. For example, Dremel disks are designed to be as tough as possible without breaking unless the job requires it to be spent. Furthermore, they are designed to break at a point before the shrapnel velocity could seriously injure someone (other than the eyes, though safety glasses should be worn at all times anyway).


Asimov believed that, ideally, humans would also follow the Laws... being the only way one ...can deal with robots—or with anything else."


But >>>> "human beings are not always rational."
Darkman666 On about 9 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#4New Post! Oct 19, 2019 @ 00:20:52
" the stepford wives " and the " bbc humans " and few episodes of both the original " the twilight zone " and reboot of the same name , and reboot of " the outer limits ".

worst cases scenarios of having give the free will to androids would be in Westworld. to a computer mind - the power of free will - basely humanity should never give wisdom to a machine to have the power to corrupt anything.

computers and androids are machines, if they work only improve your services, not make the machine take over your company and you become obstacle. if machine owns and run the company, why does it need a human being to control it.

that's simple!

don't let technology take over humanity, because humanity will be obstacle !!
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