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chaski On about 3 hours ago
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#106New Post! Sep 20, 2019 @ 00:38:58
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I have done a few. Depending on wording I tend to lean more toward libertarian.

For example in that quiz they asked if we thought certain forms of sexual activity were wrong, and I answered yes. This pushed me toward authoritarian. However, had they worded that question differently and asked if people should be punished in some way for such activity I would answer absolutely not, moving me further into the libertarian realm.

Just because I disagree with a thing it does not follow that I necessarily want it banned, legislated, prohibited or even stigmatised.



Yes.

I have quite a few friends and family members that will self describe as "libertarian"... but that is not actually the way they live nor how they act.

Most of the "libertarians" that I know "like" libertarian ideals... on paper.... philosophically they ""like" the idea of a functioning libertarian society, which is of course a myth that will never happen.

It is much like reading a communist manifesto and assessing it two ways at the same time:

1. Philosophically: On paper communism looks good... utopia and all that BS.

2. Reality: Communism has been a failure every time and ends up being authoritarian rule with a handful of bull s*** programs the at best appear to fit the original manifesto.

Libertarianism will never even get far enough to be a failure. It is at best a pretty picture that has no practical substance. It might work on a very small island, with a small population, for a very short period of time... but ultimately is a waste of time.

In addition, liking some libertarian things does not make one a libertarian.

If you actually pay attention to libertarian politicians, they are not really libertarians... they are conservatives with some very few libertarian leanings... and are just as full of s*** as all the other politicians... they are also often very well off economically...

...which reminds me of a line from one of my professors back in the day "the best socialists are either very rich or very poor, the rest of us are too busy working to feed our families and ourselves to be true socialists."

Of course all that is just my opinion.
mrmhead On about 3 hours ago




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#107New Post! Sep 20, 2019 @ 01:37:01
@chaski Said

Yes.

I have quite a few friends and family members that will self describe as "libertarian"... but that is not actually the way they live nor how they act.

Most of the "libertarians" that I know "like" libertarian ideals... on paper.... philosophically they ""like" the idea of a functioning libertarian society, which is of course a myth that will never happen.

It is much like reading a communist manifesto and assessing it two ways at the same time:

1. Philosophically: On paper communism looks good... utopia and all that BS.

2. Reality: Communism has been a failure every time and ends up being authoritarian rule with a handful of bull s*** programs the at best appear to fit the original manifesto.

Libertarianism will never even get far enough to be a failure. It is at best a pretty picture that has no practical substance. It might work on a very small island, with a small population, for a very short period of time... but ultimately is a waste of time.

In addition, liking some libertarian things does not make one a libertarian.

If you actually pay attention to libertarian politicians, they are not really libertarians... they are conservatives with some very few libertarian leanings... and are just as full of s*** as all the other politicians... they are also often very well off economically...

...which reminds me of a line from one of my professors back in the day "the best socialists are either very rich or very poor, the rest of us are too busy working to feed our families and ourselves to be true socialists."

Of course all that is just my opinion.


(generally speaking)
That can be said of many things.
The design of a perfect system falls short when implemented.
People, materials, technology/manufacturing limitations ...
bob_the_fisherman On October 26, 2019
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#108New Post! Sep 20, 2019 @ 08:12:56
@chaski Said

Yes.

I have quite a few friends and family members that will self describe as "libertarian"... but that is not actually the way they live nor how they act.

Most of the "libertarians" that I know "like" libertarian ideals... on paper.... philosophically they ""like" the idea of a functioning libertarian society, which is of course a myth that will never happen.

It is much like reading a communist manifesto and assessing it two ways at the same time:

1. Philosophically: On paper communism looks good... utopia and all that BS.

2. Reality: Communism has been a failure every time and ends up being authoritarian rule with a handful of bull s*** programs the at best appear to fit the original manifesto.

Libertarianism will never even get far enough to be a failure. It is at best a pretty picture that has no practical substance. It might work on a very small island, with a small population, for a very short period of time... but ultimately is a waste of time.

In addition, liking some libertarian things does not make one a libertarian.

If you actually pay attention to libertarian politicians, they are not really libertarians... they are conservatives with some very few libertarian leanings... and are just as full of s*** as all the other politicians... they are also often very well off economically...

...which reminds me of a line from one of my professors back in the day "the best socialists are either very rich or very poor, the rest of us are too busy working to feed our families and ourselves to be true socialists."

Of course all that is just my opinion.



I am not sure what an "ideal" or perfect libertarian would look, sound and act like, and I don't claim to be one.

I am pro-freedom and think more freedom is to be preferred to less. However, this is also not an absolute. People should not be free to unite and attack others (whether that be as a corporation, a religion, a political movement etc).
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#109New Post! Sep 20, 2019 @ 15:24:22
@bob_the_fisherman Said


I am pro-freedom and think more freedom is to be preferred to less. However, this is also not an absolute. People should not be free to unite and attack others (whether that be as a corporation, a religion, a political movement etc).


Of course libertarians are not the only ones to believe in "freedom" as you've described.
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