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DiscordTiger On about 1 hour ago
The Queen of Random

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#31New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 19:09:00
Facebook has terms of service just like tfs. If you don’t like it don’t use it. Everyone has to agree to the terms of service or gtfo.

With the house analogy... say I have a huge house like Elvis, and in vote more people over.. they still have to respect it’s my rules the same as the regular house erimitus owns.
Popularity doesn’t change the fundamental idea it’s a private platform.
Erimitus On about 4 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#32New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 19:54:00
@DiscordTiger Said

Facebook has terms of service just like tfs. If you don’t like it don’t use it. Everyone has to agree to the terms of service or gtfo.

With the house analogy... say I have a huge house like Elvis, and in vote more people over.. they still have to respect it’s my rules the same as the regular house erimitus owns.
Popularity doesn’t change the fundamental idea it’s a private platform.



The question, it seems to me, is whether the medium is public or private. If public then open to all, if private then restricted.
chaski On about 5 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#33New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 20:18:34
@Erimitus Said

The question, it seems to me, is whether the medium is public or private. If public then open to all, if private then restricted.


In the USA:

Public = The government or owned by the government.

Example #1: The interstate highway system is "public". It is owned by the states. Anyone in the public can use it whenever they want to, though it does have some use rules (speed limits)

Example #2: The U.S. Postal Service. It is owned by the Federal Government. Anyone in the public can use it anytime, though it does have some use rules (you have to pay and you cannot use it to commit crimes).

Example #3: The NIPERNET: This is owned by the federal Government. It is a Military/Government version of the Internet. While it is technically "public" it has some very specific use rules (for much of it "you" must be employed by the Federal Government. Though some of it is "open access".

Example #4: The National Park Service's network. This is owned by the Federal Government. A large portion of it is available to the public any time they want it. It does, however, have some use rules for portions of it.

Private = Owned by people, organizations, companies and/or corporations.

Example A: The Dulles Greenway is a privately owned 14-mile toll road that connects Washington Dulles International Airport with Leesburg, Virginia. Anyone in the "public" can use it, if you follow the rules. For most of it you have to pay a toll and there are speed limits.

Example B: The UPS. It is owned "privately". Anyone in the "public" can use it, if you follow the rules. Anyone in the public can use it, but you have to pay and you cannot use it to commit crimes (they will report you if they find out).

Example C: Facebook. It is owned "Privately". Anyone in the "public" can use it, if you follow the rules. Anyone in the "public" can use it, but it has some use rules. You have to agree to not violate their rules. If you do, you can be banned.

Example D: There is a restaurant down the street that is own by a man. It is a "privately owned" business. Anyone in the "public" can use that restaurant. He has three (3) use rules that I know of (there might be more... ) 1st: No Smoking; 2nd: Payment is by cash or credit/debit card; 3rd: He reserves the right to not serve anyone that he does not want to serve. That is, if he doesn't like you... you have to leave. Depending on the specifics of the situation, it is not inconceivable that someone could take him to court. The only person that I have ever heard of them refusing service to was a drunk. The police seemed to think he (the owner) was within his rights. No one has ever taken him to court (I know because I asked him... we are friends... I wasn't being a jerk...

The end... for now....
DiscordTiger On about 1 hour ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#34New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 21:15:10
@Erimitus Said

The question, it seems to me, is whether the medium is public or private. If public then open to all, if private then restricted.



Websites not associated with the government are privately owned.

It usually goes down to who I owns and maintains the servers. Private also includes large companies and individuals, or individuals that operate a company.
Leon On about 4 hours ago




San Diego, California
#35New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 21:28:33
So businesses cannot choose their customers?

Does this include bakery owners?
TankGirl On about 5 hours ago




Dublin, Ireland
#36New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 21:31:23
Since when does anyone have a legal right to a platform provided by a private business free of charge? Never.

If you're not given a platform on social media, there's nothing to stop you taking out your own adverts, buying time on tv, posting your jam on billboards, any and all of that to underline and confirm your freedom of speech.

You just can't expect someone else's business to provide you with space and opportunity, to the detriment of their image, their intended audience, their mission statement, or if they are that way inclined, because they think you're a w**ker who talks absolute bollocks.

You have your freedom of speech, and you're free to whinge about people not being subjected to listening to it, but nobody is silencing you. You're just not getting your own way.

Thank f Alex Jones is wiped from most spaces where people might come across him, there isn't enough bleach in the world to clean your ears after listing to that utter gobs***e.
DiscordTiger On about 1 hour ago
The Queen of Random

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#37New Post! May 11, 2019 @ 23:28:38
@Leon Said

So businesses cannot choose their customers?

Does this include bakery owners?



The bakery owners that ended up having to pay damages went above and beyond to insult and target their customers in a discriminationtory way. It was way beyond, “sorry we can’t bake that cake.”
I thought the ones that respectfully said no without engaging in libel/slander were held up as being able to turn down individual baking requests.

Though if a bakery has a “no black people allowed signs” that violates discrimination laws. Jones isn’t being descrimated on because he’s a white man.
Leon On about 4 hours ago




San Diego, California
#38New Post! May 12, 2019 @ 00:09:03
@DiscordTiger Said

The bakery owners that ended up having to pay damages went above and beyond to insult and target their customers in a discriminationtory way. It was way beyond, “sorry we can’t bake that cake.”
I thought the ones that respectfully said no without engaging in libel/slander were held up as being able to turn down individual baking requests.

Though if a bakery has a “no black people allowed signs” that violates discrimination laws. Jones isn’t being descrimated on because he’s a white man.


Shhhhh.....

GAK was supposed to answer that
gakINGKONG 1 minutes ago




Okinawa, Japan
#39New Post! May 12, 2019 @ 00:09:10
@DiscordTiger Said

Facebook has terms of service just like tfs. If you don’t like it don’t use it. Everyone has to agree to the terms of service or gtfo.

With the house analogy... say I have a huge house like Elvis, and in vote more people over.. they still have to respect it’s my rules the same as the regular house erimitus owns.
Popularity doesn’t change the fundamental idea it’s a private platform.



Not about you and not about MODs here and not about TFS> my opinion:

Zero Platforming is immoral, hideous, and UnAmerican. Jones wasn't/isn't broadcasting porn or inciting violence.

The more elegant solution is allowing the user to customize their experience by giving them a choice whose voice they want to hear.

That's how adults treat adults.

Major media hypocricy and how much latitude they give the leftist celebrities and the violence they promote is staggering.
gakINGKONG 1 minutes ago




Okinawa, Japan
#40New Post! May 12, 2019 @ 00:16:28
@TankGirl Said

Since when does anyone have a legal right to a platform provided by a private business free of charge? Never.



This means you aren't paying attention.

If Google youtube facebook twitter and all the rest were consistent and fair across the board, this would be a different story.

Have you seen the Laura Loomer content? She's not threatening anyone. She's not promoting violence. She's not broadcasting porn.

She's anti-left.

And for that reason she's been targeted and is being silenced.

That's unacceptable.

Politcal speech is the most important speech to give latitude as long as it doesn't incite violence and the media outlets have completley blown it.

Done with this.
chaski On about 5 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#41New Post! May 12, 2019 @ 03:43:07
@gakINGKONG Said

This means you aren't paying attention.

If Google youtube facebook twitter and all the rest were consistent and fair across the board, this would be a different story.

Have you seen the Laura Loomer content? She's not threatening anyone. She's not promoting violence. She's not broadcasting porn.

She's anti-left.

And for that reason she's been targeted and is being silenced.

That's unacceptable.

Politcal speech is the most important speech to give latitude as long as it doesn't incite violence and the media outlets have completley blown it.

Done with this.



Why do you hate our Constitution?
nooneinparticular On May 23, 2019




, Hawaii
#42New Post! May 12, 2019 @ 08:27:27
If it wasn't for the Right's insistence of corporate rights for years, then I might actually be inclined to believe them when they say they believe this issue is about freedom of speech. If that were the case, I'd suggest that they reexamine their own beliefs that led here and exactly what our Constitution does and does not allow.

As it stands, it looks more to me like people looking out for their own interests when the rules that they endorsed came back to bite them. Even if that were the case, if I actually believed that they had a change of heart and want to change the system, we've been down this road before. The Right speaks constantly of smaller government, but they heavily endorse creating new laws regarding things like abortion, immigration, and marriage. They don't want smaller government, they just want to focus government on different things. If they actually worked towards smaller government, I might be inclined to agree with them. As it stands, the only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is what they want to focus on in government, not the size itself.

I must say, though, the most hilarious thing about this whole situation is that those in favor of net neutrality saw this coming a mile off, and the people who said that 'new ISP's would rise to take their places if they did shady things' are now complaining that only several companies have a death grip on the internet. A situation that was known beforehand but was dismissed as inconsequential, is now being held up by the same people who dismissed these exact concerns earlier as entirely insurmountable.
TankGirl On about 5 hours ago




Dublin, Ireland
#43New Post! May 12, 2019 @ 23:54:49
@gakINGKONG Said

This means you aren't paying attention.

If Google youtube facebook twitter and all the rest were consistent and fair across the board, this would be a different story.

Have you seen the Laura Loomer content? She's not threatening anyone. She's not promoting violence. She's not broadcasting porn.

She's anti-left.

And for that reason she's been targeted and is being silenced.

That's unacceptable.

Politcal speech is the most important speech to give latitude as long as it doesn't incite violence and the media outlets have completley blown it.

Done with this.


Of course I was paying attention: I just don't agree with you.

If the meathead collective that calls itself Fox News can limit it's coverage to the great and wonderful deeds of the Orange Overlord, and, lets say, use alternative facts in place of truth, and that's okay...why can't other platforms decide what they want aired on them?

Seems like free speech means letting whatever people agree with be broadcast, and silencing and oppression is when someone they don't agree with is.

Nobodys being silenced. They're just facing the consequences of being, by and large, w**kers. Promote your sh*tty views in public, risk having the platform to broadcast them on being removed.

Everyone exercising all the rights there. You don't get to dictate who does and who doesn't and call it oppression when it's not going your way.
chaski On about 5 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#44New Post! May 13, 2019 @ 00:35:53
@gakINGKONG Said


the media outlets have completley blown it.


Small matter that you will no doubt ignore:

Facebook is not a "media outlet" as in a source of the "news" or "journalism".

Facebook is a "social media outlet" as in a social networking outlet.

I realize that the world is very difficult for you to understand, but try to use analogies or comparisons.... like: "media outlets" are like companies that present the news in newspapers, journals, TV and (yes) the internet. That is their reported intent and purpose.

Facebook is more like a club or a community center...or even a bar (except for the serving alcohol part). There is no intent nor responsibility to present the "news" as its purpose.

You are barking up the wrong tree.... and essentially passing all over our Constitution in the process. You should be ashamed of yourself.



@TankGirl Said


If the meathead collective that calls itself Fox News can limit it's coverage to the great and wonderful deeds of the Orange Overlord, and...use alternative facts in place of truth, and that's okay...why can't other platforms decide what they want aired on them?



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