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Jennifer1984 On about 21 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#106New Post! Mar 18, 2019 @ 18:36:46
Speaker of the House of Commons has invoked centuries old legislation which prevents Theresa May bringing a third vote (MV3) on the Withdrawal Agreement (WA), usually referred to as "The Deal".

He is perfectly entitled to do this and it means MV3 cannot now take place unless the WA motion is "Significantly altered". May cannot significantly alter the motion without EU agreement to amend the WA agreement which they will not do.

WA is now deader than Monty Python's parrot. The only way May could get a change to that position would be to prorogue Parliament (end the Parliamentary session) and re-start it. This would mean Parliament being re-opened by Royal assent (The Queen's Speech) in which she specifically overrides the Speaker. This has never.... ever....... EVER happened. It's unthinkable that any Prime Minister would put the monarch in that position but rumours are already being leaked from Number 10 that this option is being considered.

We are now on the brink of a constitutional crisis.

What many people don't realise is that United Kingdom does not have a written constitution. We have statutes. Call it a "Rule Book" if you like, and the Speaker is simply following those rules. The system has served us well for centuries but this Prime Minister has attempted to bend the system, subvert it, get around it at every stage and has even been found guilty of Contempt of Parliament... the only Prime Minister to have ever been found guilty of this. And yet.... because of the European Reform Group (ERG) within her party, she has seen off not one, but TWO votes of no confidence and still hasn't resigned.

Bottom line...? Frankly, I don't know how this is going to pan out. The graphic below shows all the possible permutations, but which will happen we just don't know. All the time Theresa May is in office, anything can happen.

The only thing we know for sure, none of it is going to be good.

I don't know how readable this will come out so please magnify if you want to read it, but it covers everything.... as things stand. In a couple of hours it may all go completely out of the window. That's how bad things are now.




Brexiters are furious about what Bercow has done... and the ironic thing about that is that they were adamant Britain should leave the EU in order to "Take back control of our laws"..... and now they're complaining because the Speaker of the House is using British laws that were in place long before the EU was ever thought of.

Oh, the irony of it all.
gakINGKONG On about 8 hours ago




, Florida
#107New Post! Apr 06, 2019 @ 13:47:42
Oh I hear there are more Brexit delays for May.
Jennifer1984 On about 21 hours ago
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#108New Post! Apr 09, 2019 @ 16:26:41
@gakINGKONG Said

Oh I hear there are more Brexit delays for May.



Possibly. She has to go back to the EU before Friday for another extension, which she may or may not get. If the EU say no, then Britain crashes out of the European Union on Friday at 2300 with no deal.

It's complicated.

The EU are unlikely to agree to a short extension because they say it will simply allow for more bickering in Parliament that will go nowhere.

May doesn't want an extension beyond 22 May because that would mean Britain having to take part in the European Elections (yes, I know... elections in an alleged "dictatorship"..!! Who'd have thunk it.?)

The EU might agree to a longer extension, say a year or possibly even two for the purpose of conducting serious talks, but as I said, that would mean Britain returning MEP's (Member of the European Parliament.... again, don't believe all you're told about the EU being undemocratic) to Strasbourg)

A long extension would have to be approved by all 27 member states.

Any long extension would most likely come with strings. The EU may agree to it if Theresa May makes a commitment to a General Election or a Second Referendum, or if there are some seriously negotiable proposals put forward that don't appear to be forthcoming at this moment in time. Spain may also threaten to veto any long extension if Britain refuses to discuss the sovereignty of Gibraltar. Their threat is very real, but the Irish are deeply concerned about this and there is a lot of talking going on behind the scenes. The Spanish backed off once before, it's impossible to tell whether they will be pressured into backing off again.

Another little problem for Theresa May, is the Yvette Cooper amendment to the Brexit Bill passed in the House last week... by 3 votes.... that makes it impossible for the Prime Minister to do anything that causes Britain to leave the EU without a deal.

So......... Although it is possible we could crash out with no deal by default on Friday night, the Prime Minister is in a position whereby she must - by law - do all she can to prevent that happening.

Her options are:

Obtain - by some miracle - an agreement in Parliament to accept the Withdrawal Agreement (not going to happen)

Obtain an extension on Article 50 - which she would like to do, but the EU is unlikely to agree to on her terms. If obtained it will have to be with concessions to the EU.

Call a General Election or a Second Referendum which would certainly obtain an Article 50 extension

Revoke Article 50.

Over to you, Prime Minister.
gakINGKONG On about 8 hours ago




, Florida
#109New Post! Apr 09, 2019 @ 17:27:35
@Jennifer1984 Said

Possibly. She has to go back to the EU before Friday for another extension, which she may or may not get. If the EU say no, then Britain crashes out of the European Union on Friday at 2300 with no deal.

It's complicated.

The EU are unlikely to agree to a short extension because they say it will simply allow for more bickering in Parliament that will go nowhere.

May doesn't want an extension beyond 22 May because that would mean Britain having to take part in the European Elections (yes, I know... elections in an alleged "dictatorship"..!! Who'd have thunk it.?)

The EU might agree to a longer extension, say a year or possibly even two for the purpose of conducting serious talks, but as I said, that would mean Britain returning MEP's (Member of the European Parliament.... again, don't believe all you're told about the EU being undemocratic) to Strasbourg)

A long extension would have to be approved by all 27 member states.

Any long extension would most likely come with strings. The EU may agree to it if Theresa May makes a commitment to a General Election or a Second Referendum, or if there are some seriously negotiable proposals put forward that don't appear to be forthcoming at this moment in time. Spain may also threaten to veto any long extension if Britain refuses to discuss the sovereignty of Gibraltar. Their threat is very real, but the Irish are deeply concerned about this and there is a lot of talking going on behind the scenes. The Spanish backed off once before, it's impossible to tell whether they will be pressured into backing off again.

Another little problem for Theresa May, is the Yvette Cooper amendment to the Brexit Bill passed in the House last week... by 3 votes.... that makes it impossible for the Prime Minister to do anything that causes Britain to leave the EU without a deal.

So......... Although it is possible we could crash out with no deal by default on Friday night, the Prime Minister is in a position whereby she must - by law - do all she can to prevent that happening.

Her options are:

Obtain - by some miracle - an agreement in Parliament to accept the Withdrawal Agreement (not going to happen)

Obtain an extension on Article 50 - which she would like to do, but the EU is unlikely to agree to on her terms. If obtained it will have to be with concessions to the EU.

Call a General Election or a Second Referendum which would certainly obtain an Article 50 extension

Revoke Article 50.

Over to you, Prime Minister.


Interesting summary.

Better days everyone!
Jennifer1984 On about 21 hours ago
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#110New Post! Apr 09, 2019 @ 17:39:02
@gakINGKONG Said

Interesting summary.

Better days everyone!



Theresa May is in Berlin and Paris today trying to persuade Merkel and Macron to give an extension.

The early evening news on Auntie Beeb here is not optimistic she's going to get what she wants. She might get something, but not what she's asking for.

There's a lot riding on this.
Jennifer1984 On about 21 hours ago
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#111New Post! Apr 09, 2019 @ 21:36:59
Pretty much as expected. The Gammons are already kicking up. There is talk of civil war from the Yaxley-Lennon fascisti and Tory Cabinet Ministers are making their usual dark warnings about resignations.

EU Rejects May's Bid For A Short Extension. - Long Extension Looks Likely (With Strings Attached)
Jennifer1984 On about 21 hours ago
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#112New Post! May 01, 2019 @ 17:38:45
For the benefit of our resident Gammons,

Pascal Lammy(former director of the WTO) and Iain Duncan Smith have been on Politics Live.

Pascal Lammy gave the rainbows-and-unicorns believing former Conservative Party Leader Iain Duncan Smith a lesson in the border issues regarding trade.

Two clips that really show how deluded the likes of Duncan Smith are.


Watch Pascal Lammy(former Director-General WTO) school Iain Duncan Smith on the Irish border.. "This is pie in the sky.. there is no way you can exit the internal market without a border... you're totally confused.."

Pascal Lammy Shoots IDS Down In Flames

Pascal Lammy, 8-year (former) director of the WTO, tells Iain Duncan Smith why the UK would need to stay aligned with EU rules if it doesn't want checks at the border. #PoliticsLive

Pascal Lammy Shoots IDS Down In Flames Part 2

That's the trouble with experts, eh..? They just don't believe in unicorns.






NB... Just noticed my spelling gaffe. It's Lamy, not Lammy. My oops.
Jennifer1984 On about 21 hours ago
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#113New Post! May 04, 2019 @ 14:37:05
Boris Johnson caught out lying AGAIN......

Boris Johnson Lies Again

Johnson is under fire for Tweeting voters to get out and vote Conservative, just like he's done, in the Local Government elections on Thursday.

He lives in the constituency of Uxbridge and West Ruislip forgot that Local Government elections took place in other parts of the country, but not London.

The Tweet was deleted after about 30 seconds, but not quickly enough. It was out there and coming under fire from savvy Remainers within seconds.

Liar, liar, pants on fire, Boris.

And this is the bloke that Brexiters say should be running the country.
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