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Electric_Banana On 15 minutes ago




, New Zealand
#31New Post! Apr 13, 2019 @ 12:22:59
@Wizardofozone Said

Although I'm fairly opinionated on all things Trump, I do admit to being very confused about the two different views each party shares on border policys ...

Can anyone clarify this : If we get rid of border control, would there be any type of future Democratic intention to control the numbers from running into the millions over the years until literally American citizens of all color and nationality are just another minority ? ... Saw a Science Fiction movie where there was no need of Alien attacks as in 'War of the Worlds' ... They just looked like Humans and finally just overran us peacefully ... I admit I DO like the "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses creedo, but I'd like to keep American citizens as the majority just as I presume citizens from all other countrys would also prefer . Really on the fence about this particular debate ...


The foreigners that win over any country are the ones who can breed the fastest, most and don't mind living a VERY meager lifestyle (ie; twenty-seven family members in a two bedroom apartment consuming only six tins of baked beans each day. )

It's impossible for the rest of us to live that much and have those many kids too look after.

And that's how the meek inherit the earth.

I don't mean that in any way to be prejudiced, even though it sounds smart arsed, but if you watch footage of other countries most foreign families are used to cramming as many of their family in one little house and reading a bible to one another for entertainment.

And once again, I don't mean the following to be prejudiced, (please see some documentaries on third-world countries and tribal civilizations who intentionally option to live tribal life even though they've been invited into modern civs) but if you can live happily with very little like that then this world should go to you.

Me? Myself? I need something more advanced and sophisticated; I think having a bunghole and dependency on others to co-operate with me through commerce, so that I may have use of that bunghole ( Emergency Edit: for passing food through because I was able to earn and eat - not earn WITH ), is already much too crude, difficult and basic than what I would care for in an existence.
Jennifer1984 On April 21, 2019
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#32New Post! Apr 13, 2019 @ 16:08:56
@Wizardofozone Said

Although I'm fairly opinionated on all things Trump, I do admit to being very confused about the two different views each party shares on border policys ...

Can anyone clarify this : If we get rid of border control, would there be any type of future Democratic intention to control the numbers from running into the millions over the years until literally American citizens of all color and nationality are just another minority ? ... Saw a Science Fiction movie where there was no need of Alien attacks as in 'War of the Worlds' ... They just looked like Humans and finally just overran us peacefully ... I admit I DO like the "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses creedo, but I'd like to keep American citizens as the majority just as I presume citizens from all other countrys would also prefer . Really on the fence about this particular debate ...


re: my BIB

Britain has an undefended border with the European Union. It's the one between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. In some places the border runs down the middle of a village road meaning that just by walking from one side of the road to the other you can be in two completely different countries and nobody there to check or oppose it.

And yet..... it hasn't led to hordes of migrants exploiting it to come to UK via the Republic of Ireland.

We're experiencing one or two difficulties in maintaining that open border at this time, but that is being kicked to death in other threads right now.

The USA has the longest stretch of undefended border in the world between yourselves and Canada. Does that give you any problems..?



The point is, that with good relations between the two countries concerned and a will to co-operate both countries, such difficulties can be eased. I'm not suggesting USA should sweep away any sort of fencing or border control... that would be silly.... but to antagonise the other country by building a wall... which will very quickly become a symbol of American repression.... will surely be counter productive.

Keep the Mexican government onside and friendly. Help and encourage them to work with you, not give them a feeling of resentment that will only inspire them to work against you.
Wizardofozone On about 3 hours ago




Zelienople, Pennsylvania
#33New Post! Apr 14, 2019 @ 03:48:46
At least Trump is good for a laugh every now and then ... I just heard about his threat to send all arrested illegals by bus to all 5 of the 'Sanctuary States' .... I immediatly thought how the border crossers are a lot like Star Treks 'Tribbles', lol....
mrmhead On 30 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#34New Post! Apr 14, 2019 @ 14:42:41
Interesting thought (point) brought up on Meet The Press this morning:

Human traffickers and smugglers are using Trump's threat to close the border to encourage the migrants to "Leave Now! Before the borders close!"

... Much like gun sales were high during the Obama administration, and spiked every time some kind of gun control was mentioned. But now that there is no "threat", gun sales are lagging.

Trump is creating his own crisis ... nothing new there.
DiscordTiger On 19 minutes ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#35New Post! Apr 14, 2019 @ 15:06:18
Trump sugesstion of busing migrants to sanctuary cities is gross and racist. Like they have to be trash people because they are Latino.

*I don’t actually mind having the migrants here (though they are here anyway on their own) but it’s the ideas that having more Latinos around you is “punishment” against political foes that makes it gross

They are f***ing people not trash or animals or tribbels. Also if they are seeking asylum, they are NOT doing anything illegal. If they overstay after being denied the the legal status changes of course, but that is again like overstaying a visa and nothing that any wall will help.
darkman666 On about 2 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#36New Post! Apr 14, 2019 @ 15:07:03
in " direct 9 " is a good example what is happen now. control a situation, we have a cage and strict the cattle movement. are people just cattle?
mrmhead On 30 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#37New Post! Apr 15, 2019 @ 11:51:13
@darkman666 Said

in " direct 9 " is a good example what is happen now. control a situation, we have a cage and strict the cattle movement. are people just cattle?



In some cases yes - Sports events, concerts and such all people are cattle equally.

In other situations, some people think of "the others" as cattle.

And yes, it is disgusting that our president thinks that People can be used as a weapon to "punish" those that disagree with him.


From what I've been hearing over the years, one of the bigger problems with immigration is the lack of resources to process their entry and request for asylum.
I think I saw somewhere the average wait time is a few hundred days.
DiscordTiger On 19 minutes ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#38New Post! Apr 15, 2019 @ 19:28:43
It would be far more effective to relocate some judges to the border area and extend the time court is in session. I'm sure you'd need a few more attorneys on both sides. Last I heard there was not a "lack of lawyer crisis"

For a business man, trump sure does a s***ty job of finding a solution to a problem...he goes straight the "this is the illegal way."
Wizardofozone On about 3 hours ago




Zelienople, Pennsylvania
#39New Post! about 5 hours ago
Still the question remains ... so lets say its suddenly the future and we have accomplished everyones suggestions. Immigrants take only 7 days to be fully processed, all nations, everyone ....

So everyone is happy, millions are now here and millions more coming. The United States of America and its borders was just a passing fad ... We are now just called Peopleville with every imaginable type of Government, currency, Gods galore, Dog meat butcher shops for the Eastern cuisine, Tolerence for all drugs, free love, the right for animal/human marriage ... and those who wear no deoderant ....Geez ... how many people just walk into YOUR front door and get a room ?

When is there just the simple mathematics of realizing there are now; in this example 'future' just too many people with every individual idea of 'freedom' on this half of the world ?? When will progressives stop trying to force
'heaven' to happen before God declares it ?

Stomping our foot and demanding that the impossible Beatles song 'Imagine' must exist sooner rather than later and on our immediate timeline is just childish and in fairness to Athiests is not guaranteed to ever happen at all. The 'Imagine' song is probably the world's greatest example of vain self righteousness ever created.

When the heck did our Homeland, our birthplace, the history of our own 'birth' stop mattering ? I must admit I am tired of modern, never suffered at all current Americans of all races and colors trying to jump onto the historic suffering bandwagon and taking stands for and against 'historic suffering' they never participated in ... You might just as well continue taking a stance against memories of opression all the way back to the Garden of Eden.

None of us were in the first and probably the second world war, none of us suffered any personal loss at the Alamo, we had no personal loss of tax unfairness at the Bostton tea party, no current American Indian ever saw a true cavalry soldier or probably even his now antique sword,and currently only a few 90 year old Jewish folks left worldwide who actually deserve to grieve over their personal memories of the Holocaust ?

Face it, we are lucky lucky people. With only 1960 to 2019 current third world battlfield memories we are young enough to have participated in, we have not one reason to expect apologies ... nor need to apologize ourselves or pay back for damages, any demanding spoiled brats of this or any other country.

The twit whats her name who wants cows executed for farting is a perfect example of spoiled brat citizen ...
mrmhead On 30 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#40New Post! about 4 hours ago
@Wizardofozone Said

Still the question remains ... so lets say its suddenly the future and we have accomplished everyones suggestions. Immigrants take only 7 days to be fully processed, all nations, everyone ....

So everyone is happy, millions are now here and millions more coming. The United States of America and its borders was just a passing fad ... We are now just called Peopleville with every imaginable type of Government, currency, Gods galore, Dog meat butcher shops for the Eastern cuisine, Tolerence for all drugs, free love, the right for animal/human marriage ... and those who wear no deoderant ....Geez ... how many people just walk into YOUR front door and get a room ?

When is there just the simple mathematics of realizing there are now; in this example 'future' just too many people with every individual idea of 'freedom' on this half of the world ?? When will progressives stop trying to force
'heaven' to happen before God declares it ?

Stomping our foot and demanding that the impossible Beatles song 'Imagine' must exist sooner rather than later and on our immediate timeline is just childish and in fairness to Athiests is not guaranteed to ever happen at all. The 'Imagine' song is probably the world's greatest example of vain self righteousness ever created.

When the heck did our Homeland, our birthplace, the history of our own 'birth' stop mattering ? I must admit I am tired of modern, never suffered at all current Americans of all races and colors trying to jump onto the historic suffering bandwagon and taking stands for and against 'historic suffering' they never participated in ... You might just as well continue taking a stance against memories of opression all the way back to the Garden of Eden.

None of us were in the first and probably the second world war, none of us suffered any personal loss at the Alamo, we had no personal loss of tax unfairness at the Bostton tea party, no current American Indian ever saw a true cavalry soldier or probably even his now antique sword,and currently only a few 90 year old Jewish folks left worldwide who actually deserve to grieve over their personal memories of the Holocaust ?

Face it, we are lucky lucky people. With only 1960 to 2019 current third world battlfield memories we are young enough to have participated in, we have not one reason to expect apologies ... nor need to apologize ourselves or pay back for damages, any demanding spoiled brats of this or any other country.

The twit whats her name who wants cows executed for farting is a perfect example of spoiled brat citizen ...


While you're at it, why don't you dream away all the despots and dictators, oppression, gangs, murderers, rapists, human traffickers, food / housing /energy shortages, wealth inequality, poverty ... Then they won't have to come to the US. They can all live in their own wonderful homeland.

There. Problem Solved!
chaski On 50 minutes ago
Stalker





Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#41New Post! about 4 hours ago
@Wizardofozone Said


When will progressives stop trying to force 'heaven' to happen before God declares it ?




Well you said a lot there... too much for me to focus on all at once, so I'll go with this part

Why shouldn't "progressives", and everyone else for that matter, try to make the USA a better place? And in fact make the whole world a better place?

If you go with the bible, god put us in charge of planet earth. We are the assigned stewards of our world. It is our responsibility and we have been failing miserably. In fact, if god is up there, he might actually be a bit pissed off at the mess we've made of things... from the way we treat each other to the way we treat his creations.

Sure, there is the whole Jesus forgiveness thing, but being forgiven is not a Monopoly get out of jail free card authorizing poor behavior.

As to border security, it seems to me that the progressives are taking the progressive approach and looking to modern high tech tools and techniques to solve the problem... or at least help with the problem.

On the other hand, it is pretty clear that both Republicans/Conservatives and Democrat/Liberals in both Congress and the White House have been failing on the immigration thing for decades, and are continuing to fail on the immigration thing today.

I suppose we could justify doing nothing, or doing something that has no chance of working, but why not actually try to make things (the immigration system) better?

It isn't the progressives who are the problem, it is politicians who claim to be either conservative of liberal, when in reality they are (in large part) a bunch of selfish jackasses who like to dupe the public in their efforts to get re-elected.

Which means, ultimately, "it" is all our fault because "we" let them divide us... we choose to believe the BS and point our finger at the other guys, while the politicians (both Republican and Democrat) carry on with their charade at our expense.




Side note: God accepts all immigrants, with the exception of those who don't want to be accepted.

Wizardofozone On about 3 hours ago




Zelienople, Pennsylvania
#42New Post! about 3 hours ago
MRMHEAD SAID : "While you're at it, why don't you dream away all the despots and dictators, oppression, gangs, murderers, rapists, human traffickers, food / housing /energy shortages, wealth inequality, poverty ... Then they won't have to come to the US. They can all live in their own wonderful homeland."

Bringing 3 or 4 million more people over here will magnify everything you've correctly listed,we have all of it now ourselves and increasing people increases all of it as well as adds a few more things we have never experienced ... America isn't a wonderful homeland either and I'd not be surprised if immigrants became as sadly disappointed as we often are ourselves ... I love America but we certainly aren't going to ever impress anyone as being their 'Valhalla' answer especially when the forests are diminished because of emergency need for massive new stretches of farmland to feed everyone, hourly wages at a buck an hour because finding a job will be like finding gold nuggets in your hair, and talk about the climate control worriers ... wait till they see what a five to 7 million more of us can finally do to the pollution over here ...
DiscordTiger On 19 minutes ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#43New Post! about 3 hours ago
Though as a country the us did accept pretty much any white immigrants that wanted to come. It wasn’t until the yelp and brown people wanted to come that laws started being made. Because we can’t have that. That would ruin s***.

So many people who’s parents and grandparents came over when borders were open are all pissed, but as usual it was fine when they did it.

And yes my ancestors came over too, they just came over pre-United states.

We didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us.
mrmhead On 30 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#44New Post! about 2 hours ago
Here, let me Cherry-pick:
@chaski Said

If you go with the bible, god put us in charge of planet earth. We are the assigned stewards of our world. It is our responsibility ....



Yes, it was given to us. So, like a cow, I can choose to take care of it and milk it, breed it for more cows, or Slaughter It for my Next Feast!!!
mrmhead On 30 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#45New Post! about 2 hours ago
@Wizardofozone Said

Bringing 3 or 4 million more people over here will magnify everything you've correctly listed,we have all of it now ourselves and increasing people increases all of it as well as adds a few more things we have never experienced ... America isn't a wonderful homeland either and I'd not be surprised if immigrants became as sadly disappointed as we often are ourselves ... I love America but we certainly aren't going to ever impress anyone as being their 'Valhalla' answer especially when the forests are diminished because of emergency need for massive new stretches of farmland to feed everyone, hourly wages at a buck an hour because finding a job will be like finding gold nuggets in your hair, and talk about the climate control worriers ... wait till they see what a five to 7 million more of us can finally do to the pollution over here ...


Sure love those exaggerations, don'y you!
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