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mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#1New Post! Feb 16, 2019 @ 23:50:23
So, could a healthcare national emergency be declared, and then have a gov't takeover of pharmaceuticals/medicine from production through delivery to consumers for the purpose of lowering cost and expanding availability?

Sure it would be challenged and all that, but in theory, could the attempt be made?
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Feb 16, 2019 @ 23:51:55
Slippery Slope
Socialist
...etc

yeah... move on...
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#3New Post! Feb 16, 2019 @ 23:55:30
@mrmhead Said

So, could a healthcare national emergency be declared, and then have a gov't takeover of pharmaceuticals/medicine from production through delivery to consumers for the purpose of lowering cost and expanding availability?

Sure it would be challenged and all that, but in theory, could the attempt be made?



Depends.

If the manufactured “wall” emergency gets upheld. Then the next time, it won’t matter if there are challenges the courts would have already ruled it was ok.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#4New Post! Feb 17, 2019 @ 00:31:12
Yes. This is why Bush Obama trump are so dangerous. Everyone needs to take a knee at this point and I don’t mean to protest the NFL with the man with the Afro. We should all take a knee and bow our heads and pray to sweet little baby Jesus that rand Paul and all of his clones are put in office for the sake of slashing spending and staying Within a constitutional form of government. This government would not reign by Fiat Participate in political wars and it would not overspend.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#5New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 16:17:18
@gakINGKONG Said


This is why Bush Obama trump are so dangerous.


Presidents are only as dangerous as we the people allow them to be.

Instead of making excuses for them, we should be NOT be taking a knee... anywhere...

We should be raging (peacefully) at our Congressional representatives in the House and Senate, by way of phone calls, texts, emails, letters and (maybe) protests outside their office doors.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#6New Post! Mar 29, 2020 @ 14:07:09
Interesting that I popped this question a little over a year ago.

I suppose the DPA would be a step in this direction.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#7New Post! Mar 29, 2020 @ 20:07:52
@mrmhead Said

So, could a healthcare national emergency be declared, and then have a gov't takeover of pharmaceuticals/medicine from production through delivery to consumers for the purpose of lowering cost and expanding availability?

Sure it would be challenged and all that, but in theory, could the attempt be made?



Socialism?

Authoritarian rule?

Directed by Trump?

4d4m On December 23, 2022




4dforum.org,
#8New Post! Apr 02, 2020 @ 05:07:08
Universal healthcare isn't socialist. The government taking over all the pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and making all the doctors federal employees is socialist.

When, in a capitalist society a company gets too big we force them to break up like AIG in 2009. When a monopoly exists we break that up too. Cartels (price fixing) is also illegal because it takes competition out of the picture.

The way the medical insurance industry is regulated it causes prices to increase rather than decrease. To be such a huge financial burden on our society the entire health care system needs to be reworked and re regulated. Some parts may need to be eliminated and run by the state.
We don't leave our police forces to private companies so why would we leave our ambulance services to them? Questions of this nature need to be asked. C
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#9New Post! Apr 07, 2020 @ 19:47:54
@mrmhead Said

So, could a healthcare national emergency be declared, and then have a gov't takeover of pharmaceuticals/medicine from production through delivery to consumers for the purpose of lowering cost and expanding availability?

Sure it would be challenged and all that, but in theory, could the attempt be made?


I guess it all depends on who the president is. From the Huffington Post Trump Has Already Ousted The Top Coronavirus Response Watchdog
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#10New Post! Apr 07, 2020 @ 20:00:23
@4d4m Said

Universal healthcare isn't socialist. The government taking over all the pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and making all the doctors federal employees is socialist.



Of course it is.

Honesty is very important here.

Time to be honest and call an apple an apple.

There is no right to healthcare and the governments which implement universal health-care fabricate that right from thin air as it really is a power move.

Freedom is when you can care for yourself. That's the best thing.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#11New Post! Apr 07, 2020 @ 20:09:50
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#12New Post! Apr 08, 2020 @ 04:10:40
@gakINGKONG Said

Of course it is.

Honesty is very important here.

Time to be honest and call an apple an apple.

There is no right to healthcare and the governments which implement universal health-care fabricate that right from thin air as it really is a power move.

Freedom is when you can care for yourself. That's the best thing.


Social programs are things like medicare, social security, public education, state or municipality sponsored police and fire departments. These are instances where society pools it's money to finance things the society needs.
So yeah, we need to take care of ourselves, and sometimes we do it collectively, like financing the military.

Socialism is when the government owns all the major means of production. One oil company like PeMex in Mexico for instance, or BancoMex

Freedom is when you can afford to take care of yourself. Something the rules of the game are skewed to benefit some members of society over others
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#13New Post! Apr 08, 2020 @ 04:36:40
@gakINGKONG Said


There is no right to healthcare




There is no "right" to anything beyond what humans give each other, and the USA has been big on giving "rights" to its citizens... odd thing that.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#14New Post! Apr 08, 2020 @ 19:37:01
@chaski Said

There is no "right" to anything beyond what humans give each other, and the USA has been big on giving "rights" to its citizens... odd thing that.


Well put.
WE THE PEOPLE decide what are rights are, or at least we should. IF WE THE PEOPLE decide health care is a right - then it is a right. All that remains is enforcing that will on the government and making it happen. This 250 year experiment in democracy and capitalism isn't over. It constantly adapts and changes, that gives it resilience.

There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have universal healthcare. To say people deserve healthcare based on their social or economic status is no different then saying they deserve it or not based on their race.
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