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johnzdoe On October 11, 2018




New York, Russia
#31New Post! Sep 21, 2018 @ 22:29:59
you don't need any math to explain a principal of physics. None.
And if the math does not work out, it can be because your equations and assumptions are wrong, maybe the hypothesis is still correct. Math is a tool of science, but developing equations requires a pre existing belief schema.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#32New Post! Sep 21, 2018 @ 22:32:27
@johnzdoe Said


And if the math does not work out, it can be because your equations and assumptions are wrong



"...because your equations and assumptions are wrong..."

Exactly.
johnzdoe On October 11, 2018




New York, Russia
#33New Post! Sep 21, 2018 @ 22:38:01
except in this case, its Einstein and Lorentz math that does not work out.
but thats to be expected, as the hypothesis in both cases is also error.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#34New Post! Sep 21, 2018 @ 22:43:10
@johnzdoe Said

except in this case, its Einstein and Lorentz math that does not work out.
but thats to be expected, as the hypothesis in both cases is also error.



Explain exactly where the math fails and exactly where the hypothesis fails....

Or don't you know?
johnzdoe On October 11, 2018




New York, Russia
#35New Post! Sep 22, 2018 @ 23:14:20
@chaski Said

"...because your equations and assumptions are wrong..."

Exactly.



And conversely, you can still have math "working out" despite your incorrect assumptions and errors in the formulation of your equations.

I can show how this works with the math errors in the derivation of the Lorentz equations. The math is correct, but the equation is false.

Consequently I don't subscribe to the dogma that claims that math is the be all and end all of Physics.
Even Einstein said, "if you cant explain it (Physics) to a bar maid, then you don't understand it yourself. I doubt a Bar maid has much knowledge of Math. But according to Einstein, she could understand the principals of Physics, if you are smart enough to explain it.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#36New Post! Sep 22, 2018 @ 23:19:45
@johnzdoe Said

And conversely, you can still have math "working out" despite your incorrect assumptions and errors in the formulation of your equations.


As I said "garbage in... garbage out".

None the less math is essential.

Thus it is requisite upon the research to make sure she/he is not inputing "garbage".... this applies to you are well.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#37New Post! Sep 22, 2018 @ 23:35:20
@johnzdoe Said

Consequently I don't subscribe to the dogma that claims that math is the be all and end all of Physics.


Math may not be the be-all, end-all of physics, but it sure does a hell of a good job until we find something else.

It makes the world predictable and dependable.
johnzdoe On October 11, 2018




New York, Russia
#38New Post! Sep 22, 2018 @ 23:38:02
@chaski Said

As I said "garbage in... garbage out".

None the less math is essential.

Thus it is requisite upon the research to make sure she/he is not inputing "garbage".... this applies to you are well.



Math is USED as if its somehow able to determine fact from fiction. But this is a fallacious claim.

As you must know, there are many examples of mathematicians being able to use correct math to come up with results that are physically wrong. There are books about the tricks available to the mathematician that exploit these inconsistencies.

No, Math cant be proof of anything, it may be able to possibly support an hypothesis, but not prove it.

However, a direct contradiction or error of logic CAN kill a hypothesis, before you even begin with the math. Physics and logic first, math is but a lesser tool. Mathematicians and Zionists will disagree.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#39New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:03:34
@johnzdoe Said

Math is USED as if its somehow able to determine fact from fiction. But this is a fallacious claim.

As you must know, there are many examples of mathematicians being able to use correct math to come up with results that are physically wrong. There are books about the tricks available to the mathematician that exploit these inconsistencies.

No, Math cant be proof of anything, it may be able to possibly support an hypothesis, but not prove it.

However, a direct contradiction or error of logic CAN kill a hypothesis, before you even begin with the math. Physics and logic first, math is but a lesser tool. Mathematicians and Zionists will disagree.


How do you describe physics without math?
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#40New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:06:12
@mrmhead Said

How do you describe physics without math?



I like pictures of porn myself.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#41New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:13:22
@johnzdoe Said


As you must know, there are many examples of mathematicians being able to use correct math to come up with results that are physically wrong.


Incorrect. Math only comes up with "wrong" answers when the input is "wrong".

@johnzdoe Said


No, Math cant be proof of anything



Incorrect. Math is like "justice" it is blind. If one give accurate input, math proves everything. If one, fudges the input, the math doesn't care... "garbage in... garbage out".

@johnzdoe Said

Physics and logic first.


Logic... take that to your philosophy class.

Physics unsupported by math is talk of day dreams.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#42New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:18:07
If there weren't such a thing as Infinity, math would be contained in a box and we could prove, or disprove everything.


As it is, I cannot measure every possible right-triangle to prove the Pythagorean theorem is right, so it's possible that it's wrong!


Is that where "Logic" overtakes Math?
And isn't that part of Cant's theory?
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#43New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:22:43
@twilitezone911 Said

I like pictures of porn myself.


Ahh, but without Math, there wouldn't be a reproduction of the physics needed to display that porn on your screen!
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#44New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:27:03
@mrmhead Said

Ahh, but without Math, there wouldn't be a reproduction of the physics needed to display that porn on your screen!



Exactly... 1's and 0's... binary...

Now imagine if "we" could have come up with if we used a ternary system...


...why not... a binary system has allowed a 3 dimensional representation on our computers (actually allowed for our computers)... what might a ternary system allow for....
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#45New Post! Sep 23, 2018 @ 00:31:13
@chaski Said

Exactly... 1's and 0's... binary...

Now imagine if "we" could have come up with if we used a ternary system...


...why not... a binary system has allowed a 3 dimensional representation on our computers (actually allowed for our computers)... what might a ternary system allow for....


Touch and smell?

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