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adrinachrome On April 04, 2023




Fukitall, Arizona
#31New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 04:42:04
@chaski Said

Have fun trying to proving that.



No. That wouldn't be fun. Well the provoking of other's beliefs would actually, probably be really, pretty much fun. But... No

I'll just stick with thinking that there probably is something, and it probably doesn't care.

So do what thou wilist... Or whatever.
LuckyCharms On July 31, 2021
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#32New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 05:04:09
@Erimitus Said

The self serving and flawed aspect of the notion of a parental like divinity please


I have always found it highly convenient and self serving to have a deity based around a parental figure. Think about it, a parent is of course the obvious actual creator of our bodies. But there is more to the meaning of a parent. Things that this "God" has never, can never and will never do. The only thing they actually have in common is the creation aspect.

We create our "God" to fulfill our psychological/emotional need for guidance, love and discipline. Yet the reality is that "God" fulfills none of those needs - we have invented words and texts to be a stand in but the reality is they are of our creation. Any divinity - if indeed it is what we ascribe as "divine" (another discussion entirely probably) - that exists has performed none of these parental actions and seems to have discernible interest in them.

I'm a little tired and it's been a long weekend but that rambling is the gist of it really. We created something to fulfill our psychological/amotional needs and any god that seems to exist does not actually take care of those functions. Those functions - when fulfilled - are fulfilled by words written by people thousands of years ago.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#33New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 10:49:22
@adrinachrome Said

You think?



A: I think if there is a God he's not omniscient. Rather i think he created everything and is now just as blind to the future as we are

E: Something to do with free will I suppose...

A: You think?

E: Yes

A: God knew that something would happen but was not sure what.

E: Dice or dominos. Random or determined?




A: I don't think God has any real control over the outcome of events. (paraphrased)

E: Please explain what you mean by real control.

A: I don't think god cares

E: Why do you think that?

A: We didn't get freewill because of God

E: If I understand you correctly you are saying that free will is in-caused. I suppose that in order to be free it would have to be a first cause. good point.

A: Free Will just a product of circumstance.

E: I do not understand.
adrinachrome On April 04, 2023




Fukitall, Arizona
#34New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 15:42:04
@Erimitus Said

@adrinachrome Said

You think?



A: I think if there is a God he's not omniscient. Rather i think he created everything and is now just as blind to the future as we are

E: Something to do with free will I suppose...

A: You think?

E: Yes

A: God knew that something would happen but was not sure what.

E: Dice or dominos. Random or determined?




A: I don't think God has any real control over the outcome of events. (paraphrased)

E: Please explain what you mean by real control.

A: I don't think god cares

E: Why do you think that?

A: We didn't get freewill because of God

E: If I understand you correctly you are saying that free will is in-caused. I suppose that in order to be free it would have to be a first cause. good point.

A: Free Will just a product of circumstance.

E: I do not understand.


Dice.

Real control. It's blind to the future. It cannot manipulate minds in order to achieve some predetermined plan or anything. Essentially he cant just wiggle his noes and change things.

God doesn't care, isn't this obvious? Not about people or the earth or anything so singular.

Free will is ever changing based on circumatance. Like everything else. Or maybe not. While some choices must be harder then others they all invariably end up as a yes or no answer, and their is always a choice.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#35New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 17:08:23
@LuckyCharms Said

I have always found it highly convenient and self serving to have a deity based around a parental figure. Think about it, a parent is of course the obvious actual creator of our bodies. But there is more to the meaning of a parent. Things that this "God" has never, can never and will never do. The only thing they actually have in common is the creation aspect.

We create our "God" to fulfill our psychological/emotional need for guidance, love and discipline. Yet the reality is that "God" fulfills none of those needs - we have invented words and texts to be a stand in but the reality is they are of our creation. Any divinity - if indeed it is what we ascribe as "divine" (another discussion entirely probably) - that exists has performed none of these parental actions and seems to have discernible interest in them.

I'm a little tired and it's been a long weekend but that rambling is the gist of it really. We created something to fulfill our psychological/amotional needs and any god that seems to exist does not actually take care of those functions. Those functions - when fulfilled - are fulfilled by words written by people thousands of years ago.


Thank you
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#36New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 17:35:18
Dice.

A: Real control.

E: Does Real Control = unconstrained ability to choose between alternatives?

________________________________________

A: It's blind to the future.

E: By IT do you mean the chooser?

E: The chooser (in at least some theories) is able to anticipate future events. There are potentialities. Some more probable than others. Generally, it seems to me, Choices are based on experience (direct and indirect). Choices are made and actions are taken based on a probability estimate. For example: For as long as I can remember the sun has come up every morning. I have never heard of the not coming up in the morning. It is highly probable that the sun will come up in the morning. And ...I base my choices and action based on that probability.

________________________________________


A: It cannot manipulate minds in order to achieve some predetermined plan... or anything.

E: By IT you mean God?

E: I apologize but I do not understand.

________________________________________


A: God doesn't care, isn't this obvious?

E: why is it obvious?

________________________________________

A: Not about people or the earth or anything so singular.

E: Not understanding again




A. Free will is ever changing based on circumstance.

E: please explain.


A: While some choices must be harder then others they all invariably end up as a yes or no answer, and their is always a choice.


E: I will have to think on that.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#37New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 17:45:37
@mrmhead Said

"Kowledge" - We Think we know what is meant, what the truth is, but the fact is, there is still something missing ...



Hand of Sand analogy:

I am in a vast empty desert

I pick up a hand full of sand.

Each grain of sand represents a quanta of knowledge.

I organize the grains according to properties. (color, size, weight, etc.)

I know my gains of knowledge and think, 'what a smart boy am I'.

As far as the horizon in all directions there are grains of knowledge.

The something I do not know exceeds the something that I do know.

..by a lot..

.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#38New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 18:03:51
@Erimitus Said

Hand of Sand analogy:

I am in a vast empty desert

I pick up a hand full of sand.

Each grain of sand represents a quanta of knowledge.

I organize the grains according to properties. (color, size, weight, etc.)

I know my gains of knowledge and think, 'what a smart boy am I'.

As far as the horizon in all directions there are grains of knowledge.

The something I do not know exceeds the something that I do know.

..by a lot..

.


Well, you certainly took that deeper than I

I was just making a smart-ass comment about misspelling (typo) "Knowledge"
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#39New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 18:09:40
@Erimitus Said

Hand of Sand analogy:

I am in a vast empty desert

I pick up a hand full of sand.

Each grain of sand represents a quanta of knowledge.

I organize the grains according to properties. (color, size, weight, etc.)

I know my gains of knowledge and think, 'what a smart boy am I'.

As far as the horizon in all directions there are grains of knowledge.

The something I do not know exceeds the something that I do know.

..by a lot..

.


DIKW

Do you have the Wisdom to know what to do with that knowledge?

Data = Grains of sand
Information = size, color, shape ...etc
Knowledge = Organized into meaningful representations
Wisdom = Projecting that knowledge to obtain desired results
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#40New Post! Jan 24, 2017 @ 18:16:00
@mrmhead Said

DIKW

Do you have the Wisdom to know what to do with that knowledge?

Data = Grains of sand
Information = size, color, shape ...etc
Knowledge = Organized into meaningful representations
Wisdom = Projecting that knowledge to obtain desired results



Excellent. Thank you


I would say that wisdom is based on experience. (i.e., trial and error)
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