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odin On November 28, 2006




Toronto, Canada
#61New Post! Dec 11, 2005 @ 01:25:09
shanky_hoe said

'In fact, if you ask 10 anarchists for their description of anarchism, you are likely to get 10 different answers'


Which is the point exactly.10 people are not going to agree with each other which is why an anarchic state would not work. If you overthrow a political leadership there are going to be massive conflicts of interest which will weaken the anarchic movment.These ten people will not agree with each other in political and sociological beliefs. They will eventually start attacking each other and the movement is absolete.

The point is moot

A state needs an organized political structure where votes are obtained on a majority opinion and not the opinion of a radical movment based on the grounds of:
' I dont like how the state is being run so I'm gonna go over there and knock off that c**ksucker '

There needs to be an established sociological order where a judical body administrates the laws of the land.If a person does not like the way the state is being run then there are other ways to voice a political opinion other than overthrowing the country and creating an anarchic state.
skanky_hoe On January 18, 2007

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melbourne, Australia
#62New Post! Dec 11, 2005 @ 02:29:07
@odin Said
shanky_hoe said

'In fact, if you ask 10 anarchists for their description of anarchism, you are likely to get 10 different answers'


Which is the point exactly.10 people are not going to agree with each other which is why an anarchic state would not work. If you overthrow a political leadership there are going to be massive conflicts of interest which will weaken the anarchic movment.These ten people will not agree with each other in political and sociological beliefs. They will eventually start attacking each other and the movement is absolete.

The point is moot

A state needs an organized political structure where votes are obtained on a majority opinion and not the opinion of a radical movment based on the grounds of:
' I dont like how the state is being run so I'm gonna go over there and knock off that c**ksucker '

There needs to be an established sociological order where a judical body administrates the laws of the land.If a person does not like the way the state is being run then there are other ways to voice a political opinion other than overthrowing the country and creating an anarchic state.


that is a valid point. did you read my post about the conclusion i made? I think this thread is an example of why anarchy would not work in society. People are not mature and selfless enough. and no one is going to have exactly the same views so there will always be conflict between people. I think anarchy is a good way to go in your personal life though.
Odin, thank you for making this thread civilized again!
odin On November 28, 2006




Toronto, Canada
#63New Post! Dec 11, 2005 @ 02:45:58
Well I dont think that your opinion is validated..to thank me because the original topic of the thread was opinions of others.This thread is a socialist thread and not the opinionated anarchic thread you have tried to create which just goes to show that on a sociological level people dont want an anarchic state because it leads to leftist authoritarian states such as communism or dictatorships
redglitter On July 23, 2007




a small rivertown in Arizona,
#64New Post! Dec 11, 2005 @ 03:47:13
Skanky Hoe,
How did you become so interested in anarchy?
skanky_hoe On January 18, 2007

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melbourne, Australia
#65New Post! Dec 12, 2005 @ 07:03:06
@redglitter Said
Skanky Hoe,
How did you become so interested in anarchy?


Hmmm...........good question. Just have an open mind i suppose. Like to consider different concepts and work out my own values and whats important to me rather than following other people.
lm On November 07, 2006




somewhere,
#66New Post! Nov 06, 2006 @ 21:05:43
odin
first you say that communism is a right wing authoritarian government. then you say it is a leftist authoritarian state. what's going on?

reading through the history of this particular forum topic, i'd have to agree with skanky hoe in that it doesn't seem like you've been exposed in any real way to anarchy--either theory or practice (and both exist).

and skanky hoe--i think it's fantastic that young people are thinking critically about the world in which we find ourselves. it really illustrates that the popular portrayals of youth as uninterested and uncritical are ridiculous. these kinds of messages (that youth are lost in materialism and apathy and the related message that any youth who are critical and politically active are silly or self righteous) are meant to support the master discourse (or the status quo, or the dominant paradigms of consumerism, consumption, and predatory capitalism, or whatever kind of label works to describe the powers-that-be). anyway, the point of this rambling is to say Yeah! and Thankyou! to all who actively seek growth and personal/cultural critical awareness. and thanks to those who, instead of relying on competitive and combatitive discourse, choose to pursue invitational rhetoric and, in that spirit, hope to actually engage in meaningful communication.
skanky_hoe On January 18, 2007

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melbourne, Australia
#67New Post! Nov 07, 2006 @ 01:38:46
@lm Said
odin
first you say that communism is a right wing authoritarian government. then you say it is a leftist authoritarian state. what's going on?

reading through the history of this particular forum topic, i'd have to agree with skanky hoe in that it doesn't seem like you've been exposed in any real way to anarchy--either theory or practice (and both exist).

and skanky hoe--i think it's fantastic that young people are thinking critically about the world in which we find ourselves. it really illustrates that the popular portrayals of youth as uninterested and uncritical are ridiculous. these kinds of messages (that youth are lost in materialism and apathy and the related message that any youth who are critical and politically active are silly or self righteous) are meant to support the master discourse (or the status quo, or the dominant paradigms of consumerism, consumption, and predatory capitalism, or whatever kind of label works to describe the powers-that-be). anyway, the point of this rambling is to say Yeah! and Thankyou! to all who actively seek growth and personal/cultural critical awareness. and thanks to those who, instead of relying on competitive and combatitive discourse, choose to pursue invitational rhetoric and, in that spirit, hope to actually engage in meaningful communication.


Thank you I almost forgot about this thread! We'll its nice to bring it back up again
pixiesticks On October 14, 2007




Toronto, Canada
#68New Post! Nov 07, 2006 @ 01:46:48
I don't think it would work, people are people. You are thinking much higher of them than they are worth. We will all be unhappy, we need a society that's based on higher levels, and then once the levels are climbed we feel like accomplished people. Without that, there will be chaos, and I know how you said that this wasn't about the chaos, but you can't disregard it like that. It's hard to explain, I wont say that I'm getting my point across, because I'm probably not - but at least I tried.
pixiesticks On October 14, 2007




Toronto, Canada
#69New Post! Nov 07, 2006 @ 01:57:10
@shaggyjebus Said
People always want something physical and are never happy with just friends and family and basic needs. It seems that something is wrong with the world when that happens . . .


Problem witht that, it's now based on what you have to be able to be considered to have friends, and thus people need material things to show they are worthy of the friends they want, fake as they may be.

Like you have your immediate family, but then your outer family that you may see for easter and christmas aren't involved in your everyday life. They are at those celebrations to get $20 from you, so you can give $20 to them, it's pointless nothingness, but if you don't hand over that $20 dollars, than they start making all sorts of theories on why you didn't give it to them. Do you not have any money? Do you not like that certain relative?

I wish life could be so simple and happy inside a family, but it's nothing of the sort anymore.
lm On November 07, 2006




somewhere,
#70New Post! Nov 07, 2006 @ 16:33:17
i don't really agree....i think it is more than just possible, it actually happens, that families can maintain intimate and meaningful relationships outside of, or even in opposition to, capitalist expectations. and the same is true of community.

is there something in your own family that leads you to this conclusion....? i really think feelings of isolation and non-interconnectedness are feelings that are created, supported, and maintained by consumerism and materialism; and that these feeling are really effective in keeping people from getting together for positive personal and cultural change.

what do you all think?
skanky_hoe On January 18, 2007

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melbourne, Australia
#71New Post! Nov 21, 2006 @ 09:53:14
@lm Said
i don't really agree....i think it is more than just possible, it actually happens, that families can maintain intimate and meaningful relationships outside of, or even in opposition to, capitalist expectations. and the same is true of community.

is there something in your own family that leads you to this conclusion....? i really think feelings of isolation and non-interconnectedness are feelings that are created, supported, and maintained by consumerism and materialism; and that these feeling are really effective in keeping people from getting together for positive personal and cultural change.

what do you all think?


I agree with you here. I noticed this the other day when I was doing my christmas shopping, how materialistic the world is, and I actually found it quite depressing. Or maybe that was because I couldn't find the record I was looking for ...
jeffwatson On November 04, 2007




Oak Town, Rhode Island
#72New Post! Dec 22, 2006 @ 03:07:32
Materialism, lust, and deliberate destruction are some of the things that bind the world. In the immortal words of Paine, society, in its purest form needs no government, for society does not punish. The governers punish the criminal residents in a society. So, if there are only good people in a culture there is no need for a government.
hk00 On July 09, 2007




Savannah, Georgia
#73New Post! Jun 15, 2007 @ 01:55:59
lmao, this is great. Seriously tho, not saying I agree completely, I'm not an anarchist but a part of me is quite fond of the idea of absolute freedom (people with little morals like me would probably take advantage of this for seriously corrupt and disturbing ends), but Skanky Hoe, nice name btw, lemme give you some advice... learn about your advisary's beliefs, study it, and attack the weakpoints, this is alot more respectable way of getting somebody to shut the f*** up than just saying it. Why does political correctness matter? Believe me, I wish it didn't, but it does, cuz its not what you say, its how you say it, that gets respect from most. And respect does matter. That and if you give respect, you get respect, and even if what you say is completely f***ed up, if you say it in a respectful way people tend to overlook that.
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