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mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#61New Post! Feb 25, 2021 @ 20:13:57
@4d4m Said

Until the Trump vs Kerry election I had never seen the polls not correctly predict the winner.



It was that third and final Trump - Kerry debate that really sent everything into a tailspin
chaski On about 21 hours ago
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#62New Post! Feb 25, 2021 @ 20:18:20
@4d4m Said

The elections did not get rigged for Joe, they got rigged for Trump in 2016.



Neither election was rigged.


It is just the way the E.C. system works.
nooneinparticular On March 16, 2023




, Hawaii
#63New Post! Feb 25, 2021 @ 21:50:15
@4d4m Said

Until the Trump vs Kerry election I had never seen the polls not correctly predict the winner.


YOU are talking about using entrance polls to target and predict races that could be swung by a few thousand votes. I'm saying that if that's your goal, then you need to find close races that fall outside of the statistical uncertainty of those polls.
chaski On about 21 hours ago
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#64New Post! Feb 25, 2021 @ 23:19:49
@nooneinparticular Said

YOU are talking about using entrance polls to target and predict races that could be swung by a few thousand votes. I'm saying that if that's your goal, then you need to find close races that fall outside of the statistical uncertainty of those polls.


And as it turns out, the data obtained at entrance polls of the 2016 election would have come too late to impact the actual election.

And if you are using the entrance polls from one election (say in 2016) to make a plan to impact another election (say 2018), your data might well be out dated and irrelevant.... I depends on what is going on in the world, country, state, voting district, etc...

As to 2016, we know that the pre-election polls (the polls throughout 2015) were wrong (at least most of them), so would not have helped anyone's planning.

What a political party can do (in the USA), once they win an election, is to modify the voting districts (gerrymandering) and thus give the winning party an advantage over the losing party in the next election. This is kind of underhanded, but perfectly legal.

etc...

However, the full on illegal rigging of an is not likely.

From a theoretical perspective, the thing to do would be to hack the voting machines and/or the counting system with some coding prior to election day, thus when the votes came in, the malware would use an algorithm to change just enough of the votes for a candidate or set of candidates to win across numerous voting districts...but not by too many votes in any one location as that would flag fraud. Then provide a misdirection in the form of duping some people to commit voter fraud on a small scale.

At this point this sort of thing is the stuff of fiction, though (again) theoretically possible.

At this point in time, the most practical way to impact an election is the gerrymandering thing combined with the flooding of all forms of information media (from News stations to social media) with fabricated bull s***. The gerrymandering stages the probability of who will get the most votes, and the false information things adds to that... after all humans, especially Americans, are gullible morons who will believe complete nonsense.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#65New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 00:16:45
The election wasn’t “rigged” for trumpsterf***.

People were just more racist/sexist than they were willing to admit to pollsters. *thats* what happened in 2016.

It wasn’t rigged or even that big of surprise if you knew how to look at the data. It was close, yes but with the margin of error or margin of shame and blame as it may be.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#66New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 00:38:40
@mrmhead Said

It was that third and final Trump - Kerry debate that really sent everything into a tailspin



The final nail in the coffin was when Mandela asked about death in prison.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#67New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 01:35:11
@DiscordTiger Said

The final nail in the coffin was when Mandela asked about death in prison.



Even then trump was so rude:
"Wait?? What are you doing here? Didn't you die in prison or something?"
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#68New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 01:37:38
And of course they carried on that the debates were rigged because they had a dead guy asking questions....
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#69New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 01:41:35
@chaski Said

At this point in time, the most practical way to impact an election is the gerrymandering thing combined with the flooding of all forms of information media (from News stations to social media) with fabricated bull s***. The gerrymandering stages the probability of who will get the most votes, and the false information things adds to that... after all humans, especially Americans, are gullible morons who will believe complete nonsense.


And now voter restriction "laws" have become popular.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#70New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 04:36:52
@mrmhead Said

And of course they carried on that the debates were rigged because they had a dead guy asking questions....



It’s all Obama’s fault really.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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Emerald City, United States (g
#71New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 04:39:45
@chaski Said

And as it turns out, the data obtained at entrance polls of the 2016 election would have come too late to impact the actual election.

And if you are using the entrance polls from one election (say in 2016) to make a plan to impact another election (say 2018), your data might well be out dated and irrelevant.... I depends on what is going on in the world, country, state, voting district, etc...

As to 2016, we know that the pre-election polls (the polls throughout 2015) were wrong (at least most of them), so would not have helped anyone's planning.

What a political party can do (in the USA), once they win an election, is to modify the voting districts (gerrymandering) and thus give the winning party an advantage over the losing party in the next election. This is kind of underhanded, but perfectly legal.

etc...

However, the full on illegal rigging of an is not likely.

From a theoretical perspective, the thing to do would be to hack the voting machines and/or the counting system with some coding prior to election day, thus when the votes came in, the malware would use an algorithm to change just enough of the votes for a candidate or set of candidates to win across numerous voting districts...but not by too many votes in any one location as that would flag fraud. Then provide a misdirection in the form of duping some people to commit voter fraud on a small scale.

At this point this sort of thing is the stuff of fiction, though (again) theoretically possible.

At this point in time, the most practical way to impact an election is the gerrymandering thing combined with the flooding of all forms of information media (from News stations to social media) with fabricated bull s***. The gerrymandering stages the probability of who will get the most votes, and the false information things adds to that... after all humans, especially Americans, are gullible morons who will believe complete nonsense.


I have the strangest feeling like I’m in a work meeting where I say something, then a few minutes pass and the old white guy repeats the same thing only slightly rephrasing it.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




4dforum.org,
#72New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 04:43:24
@nooneinparticular Said

YOU are talking about using entrance polls to target and predict races that could be swung by a few thousand votes. I'm saying that if that's your goal, then you need to find close races that fall outside of the statistical uncertainty of those polls.


I didn't say anything about exit or entrance polls. Precincts can be polled at any time. All it takes is a phone and the area code. Start calling and asking people. Once you get a big enough sample you can figure it out. There is also a historical record of how districts vote. For instance, in the same election, 2004, in New Mexico the ballots came through in districts the were reservations. The vote for president did not come through. It's fairly obvious the votes wouldn't have been for Bush.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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Emerald City, United States (g
#73New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 05:49:50
@4d4m Said

For instance, in the same election, 2004, in New Mexico the ballots came through in districts the were reservations. The vote for president did not come through. It's fairly obvious the votes wouldn't have been for Bush.



I do not understand the words coming out your mouth.

Seriously though, we all make typos not big deal, I simply don't understand and didnt want to interpret it wrong.

I'm otherwise really well versed at the complexity of New Mexican politics and the uniqueness of each district.
chaski On about 21 hours ago
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#74New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 17:03:39
@DiscordTiger Said

I have the strangest feeling like I’m in a work meeting where I say something, then a few minutes pass and the old white guy repeats the same thing only slightly rephrasing it.


I'm probably guilty of doing that to you... but I moved my hands in a different way, so "it" was different.

DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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Emerald City, United States (g
#75New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 18:10:36
@chaski Said

I'm probably guilty of doing that to you... but I moved my hands in a different way, so "it" was different.




You know that means you deserve a good spanking.

Lol
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