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Leon On June 04, 2021




San Diego, California
#1New Post! Dec 10, 2020 @ 20:18:36
Serious question. I promise no criticism towards answers here by Republicans or those who typically vote for Republican candidates, just further questions. I honestly want to know, as it isn’t clear to me anymore.
chaski On about 12 hours ago
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#2New Post! Dec 11, 2020 @ 00:27:03
The GOP is for:

1. Trump.
2. Hating Democrats
3. Hating Liberals
3. Claiming that anything the does not support Trump is a fraud, a criminal conspiracy and/or Socialism (which to the GOP is the same thing as Communism).
4. Finding ways to make the rich elitists more rich, while claiming that Democrats are the actual rich elitists.
5. Evangelical Christian churches that bilk the poor out of their money.
6. Taxing the middle class.
7. Enacting tariffs (which are a hidden tax on the middle class) while claiming (i.e. lying) that they are helping the working class, who they are really f__king.
8. Anti Abortion.
9. Crying and complaining.... a lot.... like ever ceasing.... win-lose-or-draw cry and complain about anything and everything.
10. Increasing the national deficit.
11. Lying...about almost anything
12. Not being a world leader.
13. Isolationism
14. etc

The GOP turned its back on everything they ever stood for.
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#3New Post! Dec 12, 2020 @ 19:18:32
The positions of the two major US parties is very centrist on the political scale. The scale is based on Rights of the Individual vs Rights of the Centralized Government.

The far left is Communism, where individuals freedoms matter not and all is given willingly to the government. There is no right to individual enterprise or way to accrue personal wealth. One's career is chosen by the government. All information, education is controlled by the State and religion is banned and replaced by psychology.

The far right is Anarchism, a society devoid of a government at all. Individuals are free to do as they please and form associations with their communities to provide for law enforcement, health care, common defense and every other need.

Technically US politics are based on the rights of the individual states vs rights of the federal government. The republicans champion the rights of the states to govern and the democrats stand for the right of the federal government to impose laws superseding them.

Another step to the right from the Republican stance would be Confederalism , where the states would be more like their own little countries or kingdoms and the centralized government would exist for no other purpose than to provide for combined bargaining rights and national defense.

Another step to the left from the Democratic stance would be Federalism ; the elimination of State's powers. All laws, law enforcement, regulations and governance would be handled on the Federal level
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#4New Post! Dec 12, 2020 @ 19:41:07
The inconsistency you are probably noticing is the Republican party has been altering the country through legislation and legal rulings to turn us more to the left. The creation of the NSA and allowances for spying on American citizens through the Patriot Act (it had bipartisan support) are examples. George Bush Sr forcing the state of Idaho to raise it's drinking age from 19 to 21 and forcing Alaska to recriminalize marijuana (it was legal to own but not sell, 2 plants per household) by threatening to withhold federal highway funds are two more.

These trends began when the Neo Con faction started to dominate the Republican party. The Neo Cons are so called because they were originally Democrats, an organization started by Irving Kristol who was a Trotskyist. They changed parties because they felt the Democrats were not hard enough on the USSR.

Since that take over the Republican party has gone wonky.
Darkman666 On about 17 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#5New Post! Dec 12, 2020 @ 21:01:52
What does republican party stand for?

A group of americans, who are 6 cans short of 6 pack.
Leon On June 04, 2021




San Diego, California
#6New Post! Dec 12, 2020 @ 23:25:09
@4d4m Said

The positions of the two major US parties is very centrist on the political scale. The scale is based on Rights of the Individual vs Rights of the Centralized Government.

The far left is Communism, where individuals freedoms matter not and all is given willingly to the government. There is no right to individual enterprise or way to accrue personal wealth. One's career is chosen by the government. All information, education is controlled by the State and religion is banned and replaced by psychology.

The far right is Anarchism, a society devoid of a government at all. Individuals are free to do as they please and form associations with their communities to provide for law enforcement, health care, common defense and every other need.

Technically US politics are based on the rights of the individual states vs rights of the federal government. The republicans champion the rights of the states to govern and the democrats stand for the right of the federal government to impose laws superseding them.

Another step to the right from the Republican stance would be Confederalism , where the states would be more like their own little countries or kingdoms and the centralized government would exist for no other purpose than to provide for combined bargaining rights and national defense.

Another step to the left from the Democratic stance would be Federalism ; the elimination of State's powers. All laws, law enforcement, regulations and governance would be handled on the Federal level



@4d4m Said

The inconsistency you are probably noticing is the Republican party has been altering the country through legislation and legal rulings to turn us more to the left. The creation of the NSA and allowances for spying on American citizens through the Patriot Act (it had bipartisan support) are examples. George Bush Sr forcing the state of Idaho to raise it's drinking age from 19 to 21 and forcing Alaska to recriminalize marijuana (it was legal to own but not sell, 2 plants per household) by threatening to withhold federal highway funds are two more.

These trends began when the Neo Con faction started to dominate the Republican party. The Neo Cons are so called because they were originally Democrats, an organization started by Irving Kristol who was a Trotskyist. They changed parties because they felt the Democrats were not hard enough on the USSR.

Since that take over the Republican party has gone wonky.


The two ends of the spectrum you are seeking would probably be more accurate to term it “totalitarianism” vs “anarchy”, as communism, true communism as envisioned by Karl Marx, was free of government as well.

As far as the Republican Party, you say they believe in states and/or individual rights and less centralized government. However, the recent Texas vs PA/MI/WI/GA lawsuit over the election that was dismissed by the SCOTUS seemed to indicate otherwise - and you mention the Patriot Act, plus we have Trump’s vendetta against states imposing their own emissions standards, and the GOP stance against gay marriage, bathroom laws, abortion, etc. It all kind of blows that whole thing up.

Seems to me it’s more of “we want the freedom to do what we believe in, but don’t want you to have the freedom to do what you believe in.”

Probably could be said of both sides. The rest is bulls***.
chaski On about 12 hours ago
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#7New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 01:16:49
The attempt to illustrate the political spectrum by using a single axis linear model left-to-right does not present an accurate representation of political ideologies.
gakINGKONG On June 11, 2021




, Florida
#8New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 01:29:41
What do Republicans believe in?

1. Slavery is wrong especially modern-day slavery because when the Apostle Paul says he's a bond-servant to Christ it's not like Jesus is whipping up on Tobey for making eye contact.

Truthfully, human trafficking is a problem, and legalizing prostitution is not the answer.

2. Some Republicans believe in less spending. Privatizing our prisons and offering education vouchers is a start. Pulling out of decades-old wars and reducing spending on the wars we don't need to fight is a start. COVID has messed up spending probably. Federalizing pot use as legal but harsher penalties for opioid misuse/abuse should be a thing.

3. When Republicans cheat on their wives and get caught they need to be embarrassed and resign.

4. If you move from California or New York to escape their crappy politics you must wait two years before you are able to vote in the new state you live in especially if it's a Republican state like Texas or Tennesse. California transplants are destroying Arizona and don't even know it.

5. Republicans need to believe that all people leaving high school should be compelled to serve two years in some type of civil service roll or a two-year military commitment. That's just my idea but it's a goodie and they already do that in places like Isreal and Japan.

6. Republicans need to reduce spending of the Federal Budget to 13% of the gross domestic product.

7. Republicans need to preach classical liberalism and why it's important. Start with people like John Hobbs. Fight speech with speech. Fight censorship. Ideas are not violence. Youtube and Facebook need to stick with being platforms for free exchanges (not porn) instead of publishing media outlets for the left.

8. Republicans need to take parenting seriously and even spank their children if needed.

9. Aldi grocery store is awesome--not a Republican idea but just throwing it out there.

10. Republicans need to encourage Americans to be thoughtful and competent members of civil society. Avoid the mob, be mindful, read your bibles, forgive those who persecute you, stay busy with your hands (apologies to Captain Hook), spend less money than you earn.

11. Republicans need to fight for what's right and be prepared when that's not enough. Civil society is on the decline. The Democrats see it and are offering the moon to anyone who will vote for them. It will come at the expense personal autonomy. I feel blessed to have lived in the US and to have been born when I was. I don't have hope that our elected officials or major media outlets will help us.

12. Republicans need to follow reasonable guidelines on regulating the environment. Dupont shouldn't be allowed to give people cancer. The US does a better job than China and India at protecting the environment.

13. Always side with the nation of Israel.

14. Republicans should encourage everyone to drink enough water everyday and eat less processed foods.

15. Republicans need to stand for clear guidelines on when society can legally take a life. It should be by a declaration of war (military action) or the death penalty.
Leon On June 04, 2021




San Diego, California
#9New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 03:13:28
@gakINGKONG Said

What do Republicans believe in?

1. Slavery is wrong especially modern-day slavery because when the Apostle Paul says he's a bond-servant to Christ it's not like Jesus is whipping up on Tobey for making eye contact.

Truthfully, human trafficking is a problem, and legalizing prostitution is not the answer.

2. Some Republicans believe in less spending. Privatizing our prisons and offering education vouchers is a start. Pulling out of decades-old wars and reducing spending on the wars we don't need to fight is a start. COVID has messed up spending probably. Federalizing pot use as legal but harsher penalties for opioid misuse/abuse should be a thing.

3. When Republicans cheat on their wives and get caught they need to be embarrassed and resign.

4. If you move from California or New York to escape their crappy politics you must wait two years before you are able to vote in the new state you live in especially if it's a Republican state like Texas or Tennesse. California transplants are destroying Arizona and don't even know it.

5. Republicans need to believe that all people leaving high school should be compelled to serve two years in some type of civil service roll or a two-year military commitment. That's just my idea but it's a goodie and they already do that in places like Isreal and Japan.

6. Republicans need to reduce spending of the Federal Budget to 13% of the gross domestic product.

7. Republicans need to preach classical liberalism and why it's important. Start with people like John Hobbs. Fight speech with speech. Fight censorship. Ideas are not violence. Youtube and Facebook need to stick with being platforms for free exchanges (not porn) instead of publishing media outlets for the left.

8. Republicans need to take parenting seriously and even spank their children if needed.

9. Aldi grocery store is awesome--not a Republican idea but just throwing it out there.

10. Republicans need to encourage Americans to be thoughtful and competent members of civil society. Avoid the mob, be mindful, read your bibles, forgive those who persecute you, stay busy with your hands (apologies to Captain Hook), spend less money than you earn.

11. Republicans need to fight for what's right and be prepared when that's not enough. Civil society is on the decline. The Democrats see it and are offering the moon to anyone who will vote for them. It will come at the expense personal autonomy. I feel blessed to have lived in the US and to have been born when I was. I don't have hope that our elected officials or major media outlets will help us.

12. Republicans need to follow reasonable guidelines on regulating the environment. Dupont shouldn't be allowed to give people cancer. The US does a better job than China and India at protecting the environment.

13. Always side with the nation of Israel.

14. Republicans should encourage everyone to drink enough water everyday and eat less processed foods.

15. Republicans need to stand for clear guidelines on when society can legally take a life. It should be by a declaration of war (military action) or the death penalty.


Thank you for your reply. Some of it is clearly your unique belief, which I’m sure you’d agree with, and not necessarily that of Republicans in general, so I won’t respond to all of it here - hope you don’t mind, as those don’t really answer the title.

But, yes, I have heard that less government spending is often a mantra of the GOP. And I’ve heard that reducing the deficit is another mantra. However, historically, Trump’s outlay increased over Obama’s (post-recession second term), Bush’s outlay increased over Clinton’s, and Reagan’s outlay increased over Carter’s (and all in terms of percentage of GDP - not constant dollars). These are the three recent instances in which a GOP president succeeded a DNC president. Furthermore, deficits increased in more dramatic fashion under GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump), than they did under DNC presidents (Carter, Clinton, and Obama (second term). The reason for this is primarily military spending and tax cuts. So it seems to me it is more a belief in less spending of DNC priorities so money can spent in other priorities, and more tax cuts as a priority than actual deficit reduction, don’t you think?

I’ve heard anti-censorship as a mantra as well. If we are talking about censorship, we are talking, by definition, about government regulation on free speech and the press. Are you saying that ideas are being suppressed by our government? Note, self-selection on what to print by a privately owned entity isn’t the same as censorship, again by definition. They are not being regulated by our government and being told what to allow on their platforms. They are deciding for themselves what is put on their own platforms. Do you recognize that Facebook or Twitter are private entities? If Fox News or Newsmax can decide what to print or air, why can’t they? Or are you actually saying that our government SHOULD step in and tell them what to print?

Those confusing mantras aside, along with the earlier confusing mantra about states rights that 4d4m touched upon, I will agree with you in that the religious influence is pretty clear and leaves little doubt. That’s probably just about the only thing that is not open for misinterpretation and, therefore, I do not have any follow up questions on.
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#10New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 04:26:24
Karl Marx was a racist, fascist liar. He sold the Idea of communism and socialism as a way to get people to quit pursuing American style democracy in Continental Europe. He used a false morality. Take what you need and give what you can. It's crap. Stalin didn't stand in line for blocks of cheese and his vodka ration. Communism is nothing more than a way for them to hide an oligarchy and make the idiot monkeys think they've won.

The political spectrum I talk about here isn't something I made up. It's from Political Philosophy 101
Leon On June 04, 2021




San Diego, California
#11New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 04:34:21
@4d4m Said

Karl Marx was a racist, fascist liar. He sold the Idea of communism and socialism as a way to get people to quit pursuing American style democracy in Continental Europe. He used a false morality. Take what you need and give what you can. It's crap. Stalin didn't stand in line for blocks of cheese and his vodka ration. Communism is nothing more than a way for them to hide an oligarchy and make the idiot monkeys think they've won.

The political spectrum I talk about here isn't something I made up. It's from Political Philosophy 101


We’re about the same age, and I remember it being Communism on one side and
Fascism, not anarchy, being on the other side in Poly Sci 101:



Regardless, as Chaski pointed out, they are all flawed.
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#12New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 04:36:33
It's interesting to note the Neo Cons aligned themselves with Christians, and not just any Christians, but as conservative as they could find. Considering they are socialists disguising themselves as right wingers I guess it makes sense. The idea is to create a polarity to manipulate the masses.
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#13New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 04:41:57
True, Fascism is nationalism gone wrong. It's basically an oligarchy, fascism being a way to facilitate it. Socialism is just a little right of Communism which is the extreme left.

Rights of the State come first in Communism, and everyone in the society is a busy little bee serving the whole.

That's great and everything until you realize that

1) if our country were to become Communist ( or Socialist) today, the same people running our country now would be running it then.

2) What if you disagree with something? There is no room for dissent in Marxism.

3) a look at the Socialist nations around the world should deter any thinking human from pursuing it.

4) There is no inherent flexibility. It is an oligarchy. There's no way around that. Our system of government is far superior in that we can make changes happen. It takes people getting organized and working together, which isn't happening right now. But it could happen.
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#14New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 04:44:40
The point is a group of socialists created a political faction and used it to gain control of the Republican party. That should start the mind turning to figure out how and why.
4d4m On about 13 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#15New Post! Dec 13, 2020 @ 04:45:49
How is Facism more rights of the individual vs the state? The far right is Anarchism, the total lack of government. Must have been using a different text book. Consider the fascists; Nazi's, Mussolini, Franco. were all socialists. Maybe This guy wrote your textbook.
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