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dihctatr On November 06, 2020




Upland, California
#61New Post! Jul 23, 2020 @ 23:48:30
@Jennifer1984 Said

I have had it with the Bible.
.............................................................
sure sign of a demon-flee from the holy\
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#62New Post! Jul 24, 2020 @ 17:33:00
@dihctatr Said


@Jennifer1984 Said

I have had it with the Bible.
.............................................................
sure sign of a demon-flee from the holy\



No, I just stopped believing. No demon required. No projectile vomiting. No inappropriate use of crucifixes and nobody fell down the stairs.

I simply decided I didn't believe any more.

It really happens like that.
dihctatr On November 06, 2020




Upland, California
#63New Post! Jul 24, 2020 @ 21:31:04
flee from holy said
i got perfection i not need bible\it not work for me so what i have now works great be why i wrote in forum
''life a hatred then u die''\
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#64New Post! Jul 24, 2020 @ 23:44:02
@Jennifer1984 Said

Trying to fathom the mindset of neo-nazis is way out of my league.


I think you may be surprised to find how easy they are to understand. They were people who were angry about the state of their lives and they found a group they could blame for it. Ignoring those who supported Nazism through remaining silent, I will mention in passing the many who supported them through fear, herd mentality and the "never question authority" idea (that is terrifyingly common), and move on to those who buy into and push this idea, as they are the ones who make these things possible.

What is hard to understand? People believed they were victims of injustice at the hands of a privileged group and they wanted to end the injustice. However, they did not want the end of injustice to be justice, but "social justice." Justice is what it is - justice (it punishes the individual perpetrator and assists the particular victim(s)of a specific crime). Social justice, however, is not justice. It is aimed at ending perceived grievances based on group identification, where all members of the "privileged" group are in some way guilty. In other words, it seeks to replace one injustice with another. There is some vengeance, hate and malice in there (but it is not couched in those terms).

Now, I do not know the degree to which you adhere to "social justice." I can't remember you advocating it explicitly, so I assume you do not completely buy this horror-show of a concept. However, it is a very popular view among those you align with.

You definitely agree with Nazis that certain voices should be silenced. That authoritarian, fascist bent is a thing all far left social justice types seem to share, as is, I think, the failure to understand just how morally wrong that is - or why it is so dangerous.

Just like with the original social justice warriors in Germany, bad people rise to the top of these movements. (Just to make it clear - this paragraph is explicitly NOT talking about you, it is talking about people who tend to rise to the top in movements of this kind). I think the reason for that can be found in a psychological study released awhile ago ( Top SJWs are generally lying, manipulative psychopaths ). It shows that people who buy into and use the social justice narrative to their advantage have the endearing trait of, on average, being significantly higher in negative moral traits than others (and they were studying social justice warriors of today, not the original ones from 1930s Germany). They found that most people who use it lack empathy and are incredibly Machiavellian (and many also show signs of Narcissism). They manipulate those beneath them through falsely claiming virtue and victimhood and set themselves up as moral superiors. And again, that makes sense. Most of us struggle to consider ourselves morally better than others, as we question our motivations. Psychopaths, Machiavellians and narcissists do not.

Do we see these traits play out in today's SJW types? I think we do (although you would probably disagree).

Look at Pantyfa (or ANTIFAct as they are also known ).

They claim to be tolerant anti-racists and anti-fascists but have used unprovoked violence against political opponents for years now. Studies show that, for example, many Trump supporters are afraid to say they support him because they fear violence, losing their job etc., from those on the left. The fear is reasonable - the left goes after their political opponents quite often. The source of the fear however, violence by the left, is not even slightly reasonable (unless you consider yourself morally superior to all those "evil Trump supporting "racists"" ).

Despite claiming to be tolerant and anti-racism they are remarkably quick to use racist slurs against black people who dares to defy them (not only can you find countless examples of black people pointing this out, but you can also find examples of white "tolerant" SJWs using racist slurs, kicking black people out of restaurants etc., for having their own thoughts rather than stay with the herd). They never question how eerily like the old Democrat party of the KKK they are (the party that Nazis said was too racist, believe it or not), because they know they are morally superior - just like many Nazis did.

Look at BLM for another example. No one really believes BLM is about black lives, not even BLM. If BLM cared about black people they would care about the many black children killed during their "protests." They don't though. Most people who support BLM could not even name one of those kids without looking it up, because they simply do not care. To BLM black lives only matter when they are ended in a way that pushes their lying narrative (that gives them a lot of money, and a lot of that goes to Democrat groups, ironically).

If they were about equality, they would obviously care about the despicable way George Kirby (as Nancy Pelosi called him) died, but if they were about black lives they would also care about this:
Davon McNeal . And not just an innocent 11 year old, but the young guys who did the shooting and whose lives are now over.

Secoriea Turner was only 8.
Natalia Wallace was 7.
Royta De’Marco Giles was 8, and on and on it goes.

And they don't care. Instead they call people like me racist for wanting to protect everyone, and say Trump is a fascist for wanting to end the violence on American streets.

But it's ok. You just keep knowing that, for the first time in history, those who want to replace injustice with something other than justice, and who want to silence their critics, are on the right side of history.

Whether your side loses through being defeated, or loses through getting what they want, one thing is for sure - you are not and never will be, on the right side of history.

I think you are right on one thing though - we are too far apart to ever have meaningful discussions. You think I am evil, whereas I think you are mind numbingly ignorant of even basic facts about history. If we both thought the other was factually wrong we could meaningfully communicate, but as I said to you a year ago if not more, we do not talk constructively with people we believe are morally evil because there is no point. You can not educate evil out of someone, but you can educate ignorance out of them.

You either silence evil people or let them spread their evil. We know which path you have chosen.
dihctatr On November 06, 2020




Upland, California
#66New Post! Jul 25, 2020 @ 03:12:55
lack of response always means i be right write reight rite\
you made a sad life life du tu u hate bible
dihctatr On November 06, 2020




Upland, California
#67New Post! Jul 25, 2020 @ 03:23:40
see perfect world
i invade CNN,take vids proving i made y'all disappear\
i kicked thousands fake conservatives off social media\
i made top twitteraccounts pay me billions\
democrats who serve meee get rich\
my army be on your block,ready to move in yor hom\
nooneinparticular On March 16, 2023




, Hawaii
#69New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 08:12:12
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I think you may be surprised to find how easy they are to understand. They were people who were angry about the state of their lives and they found a group they could blame for it. Ignoring those who supported Nazism through remaining silent, I will mention in passing the many who supported them through fear, herd mentality and the "never question authority" idea (that is terrifyingly common), and move on to those who buy into and push this idea, as they are the ones who make these things possible.

What is hard to understand? People believed they were victims of injustice at the hands of a privileged group and they wanted to end the injustice. However, they did not want the end of injustice to be justice, but "social justice." Justice is what it is - justice (it punishes the individual perpetrator and assists the particular victim(s)of a specific crime). Social justice, however, is not justice. It is aimed at ending perceived grievances based on group identification, where all members of the "privileged" group are in some way guilty. In other words, it seeks to replace one injustice with another. There is some vengeance, hate and malice in there (but it is not couched in those terms).

Now, I do not know the degree to which you adhere to "social justice." I can't remember you advocating it explicitly, so I assume you do not completely buy this horror-show of a concept. However, it is a very popular view among those you align with.

You definitely agree with Nazis that certain voices should be silenced. That authoritarian, fascist bent is a thing all far left social justice types seem to share, as is, I think, the failure to understand just how morally wrong that is - or why it is so dangerous.

Just like with the original social justice warriors in Germany, bad people rise to the top of these movements. (Just to make it clear - this paragraph is explicitly NOT talking about you, it is talking about people who tend to rise to the top in movements of this kind). I think the reason for that can be found in a psychological study released awhile ago ( Top SJWs are generally lying, manipulative psychopaths ). It shows that people who buy into and use the social justice narrative to their advantage have the endearing trait of, on average, being significantly higher in negative moral traits than others (and they were studying social justice warriors of today, not the original ones from 1930s Germany). They found that most people who use it lack empathy and are incredibly Machiavellian (and many also show signs of Narcissism). They manipulate those beneath them through falsely claiming virtue and victimhood and set themselves up as moral superiors. And again, that makes sense. Most of us struggle to consider ourselves morally better than others, as we question our motivations. Psychopaths, Machiavellians and narcissists do not.

Do we see these traits play out in today's SJW types? I think we do (although you would probably disagree).

Look at Pantyfa (or ANTIFAct as they are also known ).

They claim to be tolerant anti-racists and anti-fascists but have used unprovoked violence against political opponents for years now. Studies show that, for example, many Trump supporters are afraid to say they support him because they fear violence, losing their job etc., from those on the left. The fear is reasonable - the left goes after their political opponents quite often. The source of the fear however, violence by the left, is not even slightly reasonable (unless you consider yourself morally superior to all those "evil Trump supporting "racists"" ).

Despite claiming to be tolerant and anti-racism they are remarkably quick to use racist slurs against black people who dares to defy them (not only can you find countless examples of black people pointing this out, but you can also find examples of white "tolerant" SJWs using racist slurs, kicking black people out of restaurants etc., for having their own thoughts rather than stay with the herd). They never question how eerily like the old Democrat party of the KKK they are (the party that Nazis said was too racist, believe it or not), because they know they are morally superior - just like many Nazis did.

Look at BLM for another example. No one really believes BLM is about black lives, not even BLM. If BLM cared about black people they would care about the many black children killed during their "protests." They don't though. Most people who support BLM could not even name one of those kids without looking it up, because they simply do not care. To BLM black lives only matter when they are ended in a way that pushes their lying narrative (that gives them a lot of money, and a lot of that goes to Democrat groups, ironically).

If they were about equality, they would obviously care about the despicable way George Kirby (as Nancy Pelosi called him) died, but if they were about black lives they would also care about this:
Davon McNeal . And not just an innocent 11 year old, but the young guys who did the shooting and whose lives are now over.

Secoriea Turner was only 8.
Natalia Wallace was 7.
Royta De’Marco Giles was 8, and on and on it goes.

And they don't care. Instead they call people like me racist for wanting to protect everyone, and say Trump is a fascist for wanting to end the violence on American streets.

But it's ok. You just keep knowing that, for the first time in history, those who want to replace injustice with something other than justice, and who want to silence their critics, are on the right side of history.


I also found that study fascinating because it doesn't necessarily only apply to the Left. The Left isn't alone in 'victim signaling' after all. The Right gets into it's own little fits with it's own brand of 'victim signaling' after all, even to this day.

Of course, the overarching thrust of that research I could have told you myself. Virtue signaling is reminiscent of patriotism movements during the Cold War. As such, a persons 'social stock' in the community swayed, in part, with those opinions. With that said, manipulation and blending were useful skills to have.

Even with all of that said though, unless I misread somewhere, I wouldn't exactly call a 7% increase in likelihood anything to get too worked up over.

Quote:

Whether your side loses through being defeated, or loses through getting what they want, one thing is for sure - you are not and never will be, on the right side of history.

I think you are right on one thing though - we are too far apart to ever have meaningful discussions. You think I am evil, whereas I think you are mind numbingly ignorant of even basic facts about history. If we both thought the other was factually wrong we could meaningfully communicate, but as I said to you a year ago if not more, we do not talk constructively with people we believe are morally evil because there is no point. You can not educate evil out of someone, but you can educate ignorance out of them.

You either silence evil people or let them spread their evil. We know which path you have chosen.


You know what this is reminiscent of?

I must say I find it refreshingly hilarious that you use the exact same rationale as the 'antifa' you hate so very much in order to support your own ideals.
nooneinparticular On March 16, 2023




, Hawaii
#70New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 08:17:10
In an attempt to not JUST derail this thread, let's consider utopias for a while as well. Utopias are nice to consider, but someone's heaven is someone else's hell. Personally speaking, when considering the world, I tend to think more about future tech and such rather than social constructs. Prosthesis, discovery, advances in science, that sort of thing. All though I will admit that even those daydreams don't really fit the bill for a 'utopia', and they come with their own set of problems, surely. For me though, anything beyond even that is so vague for me that it's not even worth considering.
dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#71New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 12:08:11
A perfect world would not have the sheer amount of discarded rubbish that I always see on my way into town. Crushed drink cans, sweet wrappers, take-away cartons and more (the occasional used condom for instance) Becoming a bit bored with counting the number of such items, I've switched recently to counting the number of discarded face-masks.

Obviously, whoever is dropping all this stuff are not my type

Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#72New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 12:44:25
@dihctatr Said

lack of response always means i be right write reight rite\
you made a sad life life du tu u hate bible



Wrong. Lack of response in this case means I think your post was not worth responding to. I am only responding to you now because you seem to be claiming some sort of victory and I wish to congratulate you of moving down from 'Mildly Amusing Fool' to 'Delusional Plank'. I expect you to graduate soon, to 'Totally Wibble'.

I know you won't let me down.
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
Returner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#73New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 12:47:02
@dihctatr Said

lack of response always means i be right write reight rite\
you made a sad life life du tu u hate bible



Wrong. Lack of response in this case means I think your post was not worth responding to. I am only responding to you now because you seem to be claiming some sort of victory and I wish to congratulate you of moving down from 'Mildly Amusing Fool' to 'Delusional Plank'. I expect you to graduate soon, to 'Totally Wibble'.

I know you won't let me down.
dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#74New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 12:59:28
@Jennifer1984 Said

Wrong. Lack of response in this case means I think your post was not worth responding to


I often find it difficult to determine exactly who the dictation man/woman (?) is referring to. What he/she is actually saying is a further conundrum.

Still, it takes all sorts.
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
Returner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#75New Post! Jul 29, 2020 @ 13:02:19
@nooneinparticular Said

In an attempt to not JUST derail this thread, let's consider utopias for a while as well. Utopias are nice to consider, but someone's heaven is someone else's hell. Personally speaking, when considering the world, I tend to think more about future tech and such rather than social constructs. Prosthesis, discovery, advances in science, that sort of thing. All though I will admit that even those daydreams don't really fit the bill for a 'utopia', and they come with their own set of problems, surely. For me though, anything beyond even that is so vague for me that it's not even worth considering.


I've never been one to believe in Utopias at all.

For a start, if I were still practicing my faith I would still be wracked with the guilt of original sin, I wouldn't be married, would very likely have never considered IVF and therefore be hating myself because my maternal instincts could never be fulfilled. I would be on my knees praying to a God that probably isn't there, and if he is, then going by his biblical record he is an utter bastard.

As I'm no longer practicing though, any inclination towards belief in Utopia is thwarted by the knowledge that I'm human and am therefore fallible in the same way that all of us are. This has meant that in the process of becoming the dominant species, we have set ourselves on a collision course with the destruction of our habitat (eg: planet Earth) which is not good for our long term survival prospects.

Bearing these things in mind, if religion is specifically designed to create a servile and submissive populace to a deity that isn't fit to be a parent on the one hand, and on the other, human nature has contrived to make us..... the apex species on the planet into some sort of demented, child king, hell bent on its own destruction.

Neither of these options is remotely like any sort of "Utopia" that I'd imagine.
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