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Was Judas a hero and most trusted disciple, or a traitor?

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chaski On about 15 hours ago
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#16New Post! May 30, 2020 @ 03:34:56
@4d4m Said

Jesus came back as Saul, persecuting the Jews.




Aside from being funny and a great idea for a Monty Python or a Mel Brooks film... where the f*** did you get that s*** from?


4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#17New Post! May 30, 2020 @ 04:14:24
I get that from reading the book and from examples like this
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




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#18New Post! May 30, 2020 @ 11:26:52
But yeah he must have been a hero cause satan's been chewing on Judas for a minute.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#19New Post! May 30, 2020 @ 13:23:36
@chaski Said



Aside from being funny and a great idea for a Monty Python or a Mel Brooks film... where the f*** did you get that s*** from?




He gave us .. A Shoe!!

4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#20New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 17:08:58
You guys are funny. Remember Paul is the largest contributor to the New Testament. People did recognize him.
Darkman666 On March 27, 2024




Saint Louis, Missouri
#21New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 17:36:05



prince charming knows who owns that shoe.
chaski On about 15 hours ago
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#22New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 17:37:31
@4d4m Said

Remember Paul is the largest contributor to the New Testament.



Yes, much of the NT is made up of the writings of Paul.

And Christianity is based more on Paul than Jesus.

What is your point?

@4d4m Said

People did recognize him.


What is your point?
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#23New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 20:32:53
@chaski Said

That may or may not be true, but it does not answer the question: "Why did Judas betrayed Jesus?"


You are not listening.

Jesus wanted to test the messianic myth and asked his best apostle to help him do it.

The other apostles knew this and that is why they sat there and did nothing when Jesus told Judas to go quickly and do it.

The sop was a seal for the deal and encouragement to Judas to, I guess, give him the determination to do the dirty deed that would usher in the end times.

A huge boon for mankind if it would come to pass, which he saw it do not do. That is likely why he took his own life.

Regards
DL
chaski On about 15 hours ago
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#24New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 21:19:57
@GreatestIam2 Said

You are not listening.

Jesus wanted to test the messianic myth and asked his best apostle to help him do it.



Yes, I was listening and neither you nor 4d4m nor anyone else answered my question until now...

You have now answered my question with your statement that "Jesus....asked him to... do it."

Of course that would mean the Judas didn't actually betray Jesus, but rather he was following orders... which largely fits with the idea that he was predestined to do it, as opposed to being a treacherous scumbag.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#25New Post! Jun 01, 2020 @ 10:34:02
@chaski Said

Yes, much of the NT is made up of the writings of Paul.

And Christianity is based more on Paul than Jesus.

What is your point?



What is your point?



It seems to me JC had not been invented yet. there were Christian sects but no definitive JC
chaski On about 15 hours ago
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#26New Post! Jun 01, 2020 @ 15:39:19
@Erimitus Said

It seems to me JC had not been invented yet. there were Christian sects but no definitive JC


Jesus the person apparently existed. Flavius Josephus wrote about him, so there must have been a person who was Jesus.

"Jesus Christ the son of god" was not invented until many years later.

None the less, there is nothing (biblical or extra biblical... historical or mythical) that supports the idea that Jesus "came back as Saul, persecuting the Jews", as 4d4m seems to be saying.

Aside from the fact that the bible does not support reincarnation, the New Testament is clear that Saul/Paul is a completely different person (or character in the story if you believe it fiction) from Jesus.
Darkman666 On March 27, 2024




Saint Louis, Missouri
#27New Post! Jun 01, 2020 @ 16:48:43
only evidence that i believe that jesus might been a really person. the shroud of jesus that prove there is a man's face on it. after, it prove to me , it is a man face on it.

so?? anything else, that come from the bible, it is assuming. a fact or fantasy. if jesus was real or fiction.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#28New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 09:15:49
The shroud of Turin has been carbon dated to between 1260 and 1390 AD. Some people believe the image is that of Jacques du Molay who died in 1314. The only problem with that theory is that he was burned at the stake.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#29New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 10:52:05
Erimitus: It seems to me JC had not been invented yet. There were Christian sects but no definitive JC


Chaski: Jesus the person apparently existed. Flavius Josephus wrote about him, so there must have been a person who was Jesus.

Erimitus: In ‘the Jewish Wars’ JC was mentioned in a single paragraph. That paragraph is fiction… Everyone, even the most ardent Bible thumpers, agree that that paragraph and at least to some degree interpolation.

Chasik: "Jesus Christ (as) the son of god" was not invented until many years later.

Erimitus: yes, that is the way I understand it. The SUN, for thousands of years, was considered the SON of God. Some sects (at that time) personified the sun as the Son of God. I cannot cite my source. . Alas

Chasik: None the less, there is nothing (biblical or extra biblical... historical or mythical) that supports the idea that Jesus "came back as Saul, persecuting the Jews", as 4d4m seems to be saying.

Erimitus: 4d4m?

Erimitus: Paul/Saul said, ‘I think I will run up to Damascus and persecute me some Jews. Well… apparently Saul had a seizure, talked to Jesus (who was already dead) decided he (Saul) was an apostle

Chaski: Aside from the fact that the bible does not support reincarnation, the New Testament is clear that Saul/Paul is a completely different person (or character in the story if you believe it fiction) from Jesus.

Erimitus: That is how I understand it.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#30New Post! Jun 02, 2020 @ 16:00:29
That "Son" and "Sun" thing is cute but those word are in English.
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