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GreatestIam2 On July 29, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 20:26:38
Is the knowledge of good and evil, good or evil?

For you, me, and Adam to answer this question; we need the knowledge of good and evil.

Adam may have needed what he was denied by Yahweh to know if the tree of the knowledge of all things, is good or evil to eat from. As scriptures say, he was mentally and morally blind without it.

You and I cannot see any better than Adam could when our mental eyes are blind on issues and without knowledge of them.

It seems that Yahweh put Adam in a catch 22. Damned to being mentally blind and as bright as a brick and unable to reproduce or condemned to death if he educated himself.

Regards
DL
darkman666 On about 1 hour ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#2New Post! May 31, 2020 @ 21:51:23
it would a different concept, if adam and even saw the tree of knowledge, and didn't think about it. they saw the snake and apple.

just then, for no reason, just decide to leave eden, without care in the world. start a new life!
4d4m On 56 minutes ago




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#3New Post! Jun 09, 2020 @ 03:13:54
I can't remember who said. "until one becomes enlightened one cannot be truly good or evil."
chaski On 45 minutes ago
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#4New Post! Jun 09, 2020 @ 04:24:50
@4d4m Said

I can't remember who said. "until one becomes enlightened one cannot be truly good or evil."



Whoever that was is an idiot.
4d4m On 56 minutes ago




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#5New Post! Jun 10, 2020 @ 03:12:46
The idea of course being that until one is enlightened one doesn't know the difference between good and evil. Once one became enlightened they could then make a conscious choice.
chaski On 45 minutes ago
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#6New Post! Jun 10, 2020 @ 04:35:46
@4d4m Said

The idea of course being that until one is enlightened one doesn't know the difference between good and evil. Once one became enlightened they could then make a conscious choice.



Again... Whoever came up with that nonsense is an idiot.
4d4m On 56 minutes ago




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#7New Post! Jun 11, 2020 @ 04:19:35
Why do you say that? If a child repeats a swear word they heard you don't get mad at them. They don't even know what it means. You would have to explain to the child why they shouldn't use the offensive word. You might get mad at the person who said it in front of the child. But the child didn't know they were saying something wrong.
chaski On 45 minutes ago
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#8New Post! Jun 11, 2020 @ 04:46:21
@4d4m Said

Why do you say that? If a child repeats a swear word they heard you don't get mad at them. They don't even know what it means. You would have to explain to the child why they shouldn't use the offensive word. You might get mad at the person who said it in front of the child. But the child didn't know they were saying something wrong.



You are not a child, though you do seem to br mindlessly repeating things you have heard but not bothered to research.
Jennifer1984 On about 5 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#9New Post! Jun 11, 2020 @ 07:36:58
@4d4m Said

Why do you say that? If a child repeats a swear word they heard you don't get mad at them. They don't even know what it means. You would have to explain to the child why they shouldn't use the offensive word. You might get mad at the person who said it in front of the child. But the child didn't know they were saying something wrong.


This meme sums it up neatly.




Boy, is Dada in big trouble now..!!
darkman666 On about 1 hour ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#10New Post! Jun 11, 2020 @ 13:42:46
@Jennifer1984 Said

This meme sums it up neatly.




Boy, is Dada in big trouble now..!!





that remind me, in my late teens, i said out my first cuss word to my mom. she automatically blame everybody in the family to teaching me the word. she found out her that she taught me the word. the word was i think it was s***.
dookie On about 8 hours ago
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#11New Post! Jun 12, 2020 @ 12:58:51
The question does have resonance! No real wish to "return" but thought this worth posting.....

At one level it is a question of whether the knowledge of good and evil is essential or comes about only as a result of some unnecessary "fall". Which suggests the divisions in Christianity between the conservative/fundamentalists and those, more liberal perhaps, who rejoice in, and speak of, the "happy fault that earned for us so great, so glorious a Redeemer." Again, there are some who would suggest we need to return to a state of innocence prior to any "fall", while others recognise the value in "passing through" this world of opposites. For me, this latter view is necessary for any genuine and satisfying theodicy.

"We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time"

Reflecting upon T. S. Eliot's words above, a simple return to innocence implies that we still would not "know" our "place" at all. Experience, the knowledge of good and evil, is necessary if the "being" of God is to be shared/given to us.

Anyway, from my own understanding, now, as a non-theist of what could be called "eastern perspectives", the journey itself is home. The zen master Dogen speaks of the "circle of the way" where every individual moment is complete in itself yet, nevertheless, there is a movement towards Buddha. Samsara and nirvana are "one" and this world is therefore not betrayed for some imagined "other".


Hope you are all keeping safe!
4d4m On 56 minutes ago




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#12New Post! Jun 12, 2020 @ 18:35:33
From the Tanakh, Bereis*** (Genesis) chap 2

16 And HaShem G-d commanded the man, saying: 'Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat;

17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In Bereis*** chap 3
4 And the serpent said unto the woman: 'Ye shall not surely die;

Well, as we know, they did eat the fruit' and they did not die. hmm?
So the serpent was cursed and Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden
4d4m On 56 minutes ago




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#13New Post! Jun 12, 2020 @ 18:36:39
@Jennifer1984 Said

This meme sums it up neatly.




Boy, is Dada in big trouble now..!!



LOL
dookie On about 8 hours ago
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, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Jun 14, 2020 @ 10:04:53
Further words on this theme here:- Dookies Blog
dookie On about 8 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Jun 14, 2020 @ 16:08:21
Maybe the problem is that many, particularly in the West, see good and evil as eternal opposites, and "God" is identified with the good. Thus dualism. Another way of being and understanding is to see good and evil as both arising from the "one", a "one" that is "beyond" both, or as is sometimes said, "empty".

Some Christian mystics, particularly Meister Eckhart, seem to approach such an "eastern" understanding, by speaking of a Godhead beyond god. "I pray to God to rid me of God" says Eckhart.

Anyway, just waffling and musing. The Lockdown was always going to get me in the end.
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