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4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#721New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 03:04:29
Being blessed (or cursed) with a mind like mine, the next question is; could a virus be engineered to be race specific? Or a sort of WMD for certain gene pools? The wiki entitled Ethnic Bioweapons has no answer but does have some interesting information on our world leaders and their considerations of such an endeavor. Turns out

In 1997, U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen referred to the concept of an ethnic bioweapon as a possible risk.[1] In 1998 some biological weapon experts considered such a "genetic weapon" plausible, and believed the former Soviet Union had undertaken some research on the influence of various substances on human genes

In its 2000 policy paper Rebuilding America's Defenses, think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC) described ethnic bioweapons as a "politically useful tool" that US adversaries could have incentive to develop and utilize

In May 2007, a Russian newspaper Kommersant reported that the Russian government banned all exports of human biosamples.[16] The report claims that the reason for the ban was a secret FSB report about on-going development of "genetic bioweapons" targeting Russian population by Western institutions.

Quite obviously the leaders have at least considered research into projects like this, and some believe other leaders may have been successful.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#722New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 03:10:52
Doesn't mean they are correct however.

Just for fun here's the wiki on Project for the New American Century . It was a Neocon thinktank that focused on foreign policy.
Darkman666 On about 17 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#723New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 03:27:43
@4d4m Said

While perusing the news, as I often find myself doing, I noticed the following two articles. The first is from NPR . It is about the Covid virus infection rate on the Navajo Nation. It is higher by percent than anywhere else in the country. The other articl is from Vox . It details the hospitalization rate for black Americans (30%) as opposed to their population rate of 13%.

The Vox article points out that black people on average don't have access to the level of health care white Americans do and have a higher incidence of pre-existing conditions. Basically more poverty in the black community have contributed to the higher hospitalization rate.

The Navajo Nation has different health organizations depending on what part of the reservation one lives. They are all good organizations. The Navajo Nation has a very low population per area (persons per square mile), one would think this would help slow the spread of the disease locally. Not all of the regions have access to modern amenities like running water, but would that affect the infection rate?


i have been with blacks most of my life, it's mainly pride, especially black men. blacks think someone should flip the hospital bill, not them. being lazy and not taking care of yourself, not anyone's fault. that's your problem. easy for the blacks blame the whites for the situation. white people use blacks for the same excuse.

the sad part of america, blacks has more right access health care of minority factor than low income. if low income was the main reason than black, white, and indians should f*** the same by the government.
chaski On about 5 hours ago
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#724New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 04:44:47
@4d4m Said


the next question is; could a virus be engineered to be race specific?



"Engineered" or just a natural vulnerability...?

For example: There are many diseases that native Americans had never experienced, so when Europeans brought these diseases to the "new world", the diseases devastated the native Americans.

Were these diseases "engineered" to kill native Americans?

>>> No, not at all. <<<

Some human populations... groups are more or less vulnerable to various diseases (or drugs... or aclcholol... etc0

It isn't necessarily a matter of "engineering".

It is a matter of native exposure and a developed immunity towards various things.

Similarly, some animals have a "tolerance" to some diseases (bacteria, parasites, viruses)... when introduced to other animals the diseases (bacteria, parasites, viruses) are "killers".

Through out the "history" of planet earth "it" hasn't been a matter of "engineering"... it has been a matter of "spillover" from one population to another.

It isn't always a conspiracy.

Sometimes it is nature.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#725New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 04:55:44
@chaski Said

"Engineered" or just a natural vulnerability...?



Actually yes, engineered because that is the question asked. "Is it possible to engineer a virus" that would target certain ethnic groups. Read the rest there it's a question not an answer.

The stuff I looked up is inconclusive. The research doesn't have an answer to "is it possible to engineer" but... it does show that governments have been asking this question themselves for some time.


Edited to fix quote tags. - tiger
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#726New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 04:59:39
@chaski Said

"Engineered" or just a natural vulnerability...?


For example: There are many diseases that native Americans had never experienced, so when Europeans brought these diseases to the "new world", the diseases devastated the native Americans.

Were these diseases "engineered" to kill native Americans?

>>> No, not at all. <<<

well actually the answer is yes engineered because that is the question asked. If you read the whole thing the question is "is it possible to engineer a virus" that would target specific ethnic groups. The research is inconclusive, so there is no answer BUT.... governments have been asking and possibly researching this same question. That is basically the point of the posts. Not so much is this virus engineered or engineered to be race specific. But is it possible


-edited to add a quote tag, it might be in wrong place. Sorry tiger
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#727New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 05:01:13
well actually the answer is yes engineered because that is the question asked. If you read the whole thing the question is "is it possible to engineer a virus" that would target specific ethnic groups. The research is inconclusive, so there is no answer BUT.... governments have been asking and possibly researching this same question. That is basically the point of the posts. Not so much is this virus engineered or engineered to be race specific. But is it possible
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#728New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 07:22:45
@4d4m Said

While perusing the news, as I often find myself doing, I noticed the following two articles. The first is from NPR . It is about the Covid virus infection rate on the Navajo Nation. It is higher by percent than anywhere else in the country. The other articl is from Vox . It details the hospitalization rate for black Americans (30%) as opposed to their population rate of 13%.

The Vox article points out that black people on average don't have access to the level of health care white Americans do and have a higher incidence of pre-existing conditions. Basically more poverty in the black community have contributed to the higher hospitalization rate.

The Navajo Nation has different health organizations depending on what part of the reservation one lives. They are all good organizations. The Navajo Nation has a very low population per area (persons per square mile), one would think this would help slow the spread of the disease locally. Not all of the regions have access to modern amenities like running water, but would that affect the infection rate?


I’m in New Mexico. The lack of running water and modern amenities is totally one of the contributing factors, if not the primary factor the Navajo nation has been hit so hard. The nation is also as big as some eastern states, without the government resources.

Multigenerational families live together, the young and able go to town to get the water for the day (or week whatever they can carry) then bring that home to the elders, which are statistically medically vulnerable to covid. Meaning high age, high levels of diabetes, high cholesterol, and every other health issue that has plagued the nation since the Diné people were force marched through the desert on the Long Walk to s***ty land in the middle of f***ing nowhere, with Poor land for farming, and s***ty water supply. A water supply that even though rivers run in the area others states “claim it as their own, meaning it’s there but they can’t use it.

So no running water, in a home without electricity. How the f*** do you wash your hands constantly in warm soap and water? In a time where s***ty panicking people hoarded all the hand sanitizer, which is the next best hope if you can’t access water.

Add in the hospitals in that area are an underfunded joke. None are a level one trauma center. I don’t even think it is a level 2 trauma center. Which if I remember means they may or may not have a working Operating Room and surgeons. It may mean they stabilize and helicopter out to ABQ, Phoenix, Tucson, Salty Lake or Denver. They may not even have much of an ICU Department because they are so small. My local hospital, just got
It’s level 2 certification after years of trying, their ICU about 10 rooms, is a small nursing crew of like10ish (for 24/7 operations). Add in the fact the, people in the nearby towns, literally don’t give a f***, about stay to home orders or precautions


The playing field they are starting on, ins revenue the same modern reality we think of. Every aspect of life is fundamentally different
mrmhead On about 17 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#729New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 11:55:38
I would love to have been a fly on the wall for the "discussion" between Trump and his doctor about hydroxychloroquine.


... wouldn't it be funny if it turned out they're giving him a placebo.
Darkman666 On about 17 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#730New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 14:53:34
it probably to design a certain clone dna cells to go after certain ethic groups. person or a group has to find in poll or facts, what certain ethic groups like to eat or drink. they use clone dna cell drug infect them by food or drink.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#731New Post! May 19, 2020 @ 15:41:33
@DiscordTiger Said

I’m in New Mexico. The lack of running water and modern amenities is totally one of the contributing factors, if not the primary factor the Navajo nation has been hit so hard. The nation is also as big as some eastern states, without the government resources.

Multigenerational families live together, the young and able go to town to get the water for the day (or week whatever they can carry) then bring that home to the elders, which are statistically medically vulnerable to covid. Meaning high age, high levels of diabetes, high cholesterol, and every other health issue that has plagued the nation since the Diné people were force marched through the desert on the Long Walk to s***ty land in the middle of f***ing nowhere, with Poor land for farming, and s***ty water supply. A water supply that even though rivers run in the area others states “claim it as their own, meaning it’s there but they can’t use it.

So no running water, in a home without electricity. How the f*** do you wash your hands constantly in warm soap and water? In a time where s***ty panicking people hoarded all the hand sanitizer, which is the next best hope if you can’t access water.

Add in the hospitals in that area are an underfunded joke. None are a level one trauma center. I don’t even think it is a level 2 trauma center. Which if I remember means they may or may not have a working Operating Room and surgeons. It may mean they stabilize and helicopter out to ABQ, Phoenix, Tucson, Salty Lake or Denver. They may not even have much of an ICU Department because they are so small. My local hospital, just got
It’s level 2 certification after years of trying, their ICU about 10 rooms, is a small nursing crew of like10ish (for 24/7 operations). Add in the fact the, people in the nearby towns, literally don’t give a f***, about stay to home orders or precautions


The playing field they are starting on, ins revenue the same modern reality we think of. Every aspect of life is fundamentally different


Yup, that's exactly what the article says. The article referring to the higher infection rate among black people says the same thing. The higher rates are attributed to poverty.

The point of my posts however, was that governments have been looking at the idea of engineering viruses that can target certain races.

Whether or not they have been successful in this type of research is an open question. Russia believes western scientists have been making the attempt. These posts also do not refer specifically to any outbreak including the current one.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#732New Post! May 20, 2020 @ 00:10:25
@4d4m Said

Yup, that's exactly what the article says. The article referring to the higher infection rate among black people says the same thing. The higher rates are attributed to poverty.

The point of my posts however, was that governments have been looking at the idea of engineering viruses that can target certain races.

Whether or not they have been successful in this type of research is an open question. Russia believes western scientists have been making the attempt. These posts also do not refer specifically to any outbreak including the current one.


Ahh. Ok you’re question as a research subject currently violates ethical standards. So no governments are not going to be openly involved or funding it.

That type of research may have last gone on in the nazi concentration camps era. There was some the us did around the same time, on black peoples some std’s I think. The name is totally gone from my head. Generally they are both looked at as shameful parts of history and no one in the science field that expects accreditation or following ethical standards would repeat or cite it.

That being said, anyone perusing that research now is going to be going dark. So it would be released on the dark web and funded with dark money and basically living in the unprovable world of conspiracy theories.
And we will never know for sure until criminal charges are filed and proven.
(That may not even be enough proof for people either way, as plandemic has shown. People will believe a YouTube video even if the scientist was prosecuted for ethical violations)
chaski On about 5 hours ago
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#733New Post! May 20, 2020 @ 01:28:08
"You" think COVID-19 is going to take a pause this summer...

Don't be silly... Mosquito season is nearly upon us.

And there aren't enough bats to stop blood borne spread.

Pretty ironic that COVID-19 originated in bats (even if you believe it was engineered, they still got it from bats) and there probably aren't bats to eat the mosquitos that are going to be transmitting it between people.

Darkman666 On about 17 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#734New Post! May 20, 2020 @ 01:51:42
@chaski Said

"You" think COVID-19 is going to take a pause this summer...

Don't be silly... Mosquito season is nearly upon us.

And there aren't enough bats to stop blood borne spread.

Pretty ironic that COVID-19 originated in bats (even if you believe it was engineered, they still got it from bats) and there probably aren't bats to eat the mosquitos that are going to be transmitting it between people.



you know mosquito, grasshopper, and bats are in the same union.

this summer is suppose or should be a heat wave, because it was a mild winter. it there has been a lot of rain , this summer will build up moisture most areas. heat will adapt and make the virus hang around more longer, depend hot in certain areas.
chaski On about 5 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#735New Post! May 20, 2020 @ 01:57:01
@darkman666 Said

you know mosquito, grasshopper, and bats are in the same union.

this summer is suppose or should be a heat wave, because it was a mild winter. it there has been a lot of rain , this summer will build up moisture most areas. heat will adapt and make the virus hang around more longer, depend hot in certain areas.



“Grade school” or “Grad school”...?

Just checking...

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