Impeachment

Trump is not a politician. Is he corrupt? No doubt some things he has done in his life are not legitimate - you don't get that wealthy by being nice, I suspect.

However, did Trump engage in corruption relating to Ukraine or Russia? Not from what we have seen so far.


How is it hypocritical for me to point out that whereas Trump offered no quid pro quo Biden has admitted to blackmailing Ukraine?

Again I will ask you - point to the relevant section of the call wherein Trump threatens, blackmails or extorts Ukraine to investigate Biden in return for receiving aid.

I read the transcript and know it isn't there so I eagerly await your response.

Is there at the very least, an appearance of corruption in Donald Trump in asking the Ukraine president to merely announce that an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden is forthcoming for his own personal gain in the upcoming campaign ...

Do you think the President of the United States of America should be held to a higher standard than the druggie son of a kiddy sniffer, as I'm sure you see him ...
?

Is there at the very least, an appearance of a double standard?


WARNING: INFORMATION AHEAD - Could be dangerous to your blindness/willful ignorance

The Bursima investigation was opened before Hunter was on the board
"What's his name" was pressured to be removed because he wasn't moving forward with said investigations, as well as others.
"So-and-So" said There is no evidence of anything wrong with Hunter on the board.

If you don't want to take my word for it, go do some port 80 research.

Re: Hunter's experience - He had some applicable experience.

You don't have to be an expert in the field to be a relevant contributor. Depending on your role, your "ignorance" can be beneficial in asking questions no one else has considered. ... been there, done that.

Can you point to the part of the conversation between Trump and Zelensky where this happened? It didn't happen, so watching you point out something that didn't happen is of great interest to me.



I think politicians and police etc., should be held to a higher standard than others. That includes Trump. If he did something wrong he should be investigated.

I have no problem with him being investigated over that call, by the way. However, the call as recorded is quite emphatically not providing even the merest hint of any suggestion of a quid pro quo, which is why no one here has provided said evidence.

And I'll say this again - Trump being reluctant to hand over US money is not specific to Ukraine. He has repeatedly stated his displeasure at the US throwing money around while Europe does nothing. Trump has spoken against Merkel several times for her duplicitous BS (a thing he did in that very call), and called out NATO etc.



From me? No.




A fact I never disputed or contradicted.

Hunter Biden joined a dodgey company linked to known serious heavy weight criminals in Ukraine while it was under investigation.

You and I agree on this fact and just view it differently.

I see it as an issue but for some reason you appear not to.




Are you claiming that Hunter Biden being the son of kiddy sniffer Joe was in no way related to him getting the job?

That might be true, but I think we can all smell the BS wafting off that claim.

If one of Trump's kids started working for a company with links to known criminals and Trump then threatened the leader of the nation into ending an investigation into said company I suspect you would view the situation a tad differently.

At no point have I claimed the Trump/Zelensky transcript is a verbatim transcript. It is a transcription of a phone conversation.

Now you could argue that people listening to and transcribing that call all just left out the criminal bit. I am happy for you to do so. Politics needs more humour and I'm already chuckling in anticipation of this new lefty assertion that a lack of evidence constitutes proof of guilt.



It's a fabrication by you...



Can you provide the evidence of this? Not people saying it happened - I saw some of them get shredded when questioned. Actual evidence of Trump threatening to withhold aid.



Not at all.

A President wanting to know about possible corruption is not quite the same as the possible corruption he wants investigated. I think Trump could have gone about doing it a better way, but I have zero problem with Trump wanting potential corruption investigated. In fact that should be one thing a leader does - look for corruption in the system and get it out. Although this should not be done only to the "other" side. I suspect a few members of the GOP need to be looked at as well.

And yes, Trump should also be watched. 'Our' system is predicated on accountable government. Sadly that is no longer a thing though.

Sincere and honest question: Bob are you really this dumb or are you just having fun with me?

Again, where is the evidence of Trump saying he was withholding aid until Zelensky opened an investigation?

It's pretty easy to summarise the whole business in two short, simple sentences

1. Trump is as guilty as sin.

2. There was never the faintest chance of him being removed from office.

And that's.... er.... it.

Wait a minute. Let me translate that from progressivitus to English....
"WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!"
Oh, that's what meant.

The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it...



How or why he got the job is not relevant to trump's failed attempt at extortion.
Ukraine got the money when his minions failed to keep it under wraps.



Ivanka and Jared, being daughter and son-in-law of trump was in no way related to them getting their positions?
Or doesn't that count because it's trump?

Hidden behind the wall of "Executive Privilege"

... by our most transparent POTUS in history.

Oh...look... the poor little whiny crybaby is back again shedding her tears... poor thing has so much to cry about.... everyone is so mean to her lord god and savior Donald Jesus Christ Trump... boo-hoo :cry

Oh... I'm sorry I misunderstood you earlier. I thought you were trying to say that Trump's withholding of aid to Ukraine pending a Ukraine investigation of Biden, was acceptable behavior of a president and not a crime.

But what you are actually saying is that It never happened.... in spite of the fact that even his biggest supporters, Republicans U.S. Senators, actually agree with the facts of the case and what Trump did, but only argue that "it" was not a crime; i.e. not an impeachable offense.

Now i got it. You are denying reality.

Once they realized they could not continue the cover-up, they changed their dance from "No Quid Pro Quo" to "Not A Crime"

(and I'm not even sure "quid pro quo" was the right term for it, it was just a catchy sound-byte)

Yes.

Actually Trump using the term "quid pro quo" is pretty funny.

It demonstrates that at a minimum Trump knew that what he was doing was close to committing a crime, but that he knew or believed that his actions didn't actually cross the proverbial line of legal-illegal.