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4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#91New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 02:59:50
@chaski Said

Well that certainly explains (not) why Saudi Arabia, Sunni, remains our closest ally in the Middle East aside from Israel, and why Iran, Shia, remains our biggest enemy in the Middle East.

It seems that you are confusing the conflict in Iraq, with the status of things across the entire Middle East.


To help you a bit with your reading comprehension the line I typed was "So the anomaly is; before 9/11 the US main Muslim allies were Sunni and enemies Shi'ite. After 9/11 we went to war with Sunni Muslims to the benefit of Shi'ites."
The statement was not intended to say we tried to make enemies of Saudi Arabia and friends of Iran. The facts are that our epic engagement in Iraq has worked to the benefit of Iran, and to the detriment of Saudi Arabia. I'm talking about the Second Gulf War here.
To analyze this further; either the Neo Con leadership that led us to war in Iraq were bumbling fools or had some other agenda in mind.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#92New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 03:15:02
Another great article from The New Republic today on the other guys in Soleimani's car
https://newrepublic.com/article/156185/us-bombed-soleimanis-terrorists-bribed
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#93New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 03:16:36
@chaski Said

Wouldn't it be weird if there were no people pulling either Trump's strings nor the Ayatollah's strings?


You know what? You're right, it would be totally weird to even imagine there's no one pulling their strings.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#94New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 03:46:33
New protests in Iran against the downing of the Ukraine Airlines plane.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-plane-protests.html

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/amazing-video-iranian-protesters-refuse-to-step-on-

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Clashes-break-out-between-Iranian-security-forces-and-protesters-613958
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#95New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 06:12:11
@4d4m Said

To help you a bit with your reading comprehension the line I typed was "So the anomaly is;


To help your reading comprehension, you seem to be using the word "anomaly" incorrectly.

Regardless of that, you were stating things that were incorrect both in regards to Iraq and in regards to the Middle East.

@4d4m Said

"...before 9/11 the US main Muslim allies were Sunni and enemies Shi'ite.


Incorrect. Again: Saudi Arabia, Sunni, remains our closest ally in the Middle East... AND Iran, Shia, remains our biggest enemy in the Middle East.

@4d4m Said

I'm talking about the Second Gulf War here.


Yes, I know that you are talking about the Second Gulf War... and almost everything you have said is incorrect... or at best partially correct and way over simplified.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#96New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 06:47:07
@4d4m Said

To help you a bit with your reading comprehension



Honestly, you do not seem capable of clearly presenting whatever it is you are trying to say.

Your comments, on a regular basis, lack clarity and specificity.
It seems that you are very confuse about both the conflict in Iraq, and the status of things across the entire Middle East.

Your grasp of "terrorism" and "terrorists" (from another but related thread) is minimal at basically incorrect.

You jump back and forth with your conspiracy theories without ever actually stating what it is you think is going on and who is doing.

Your comments are very disconnected.

You need to focus and take the time to clearly present exactly what it is you are trying to say.

Or not... after all you have freedom of speech which include the freedom to write things that lack clarity.

Oh... and posting links to Wikipedia articles isn't helping clarify whatever your point is.
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#97New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 09:01:43
Simply stating that I'm incorrect and discounting the evidence I proved is insufficient. You need an argument countering my claims. Just saying I'm wrong as Micheal Savage might do doesn't discredit me. Your inability to comprehend what I'm writing is also insufficient. It might be that you quickly scan my posts and then type something up without taking the time to analyze it. If that is the case there's no reason for you to post at all.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




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#98New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 13:15:13
@chaski Said

Honestly, you do not seem capable of clearly presenting whatever it is you are trying to say.

Your comments, on a regular basis, lack clarity and specificity.
It seems that you are very confuse about both the conflict in Iraq, and the status of things across the entire Middle East.

Your grasp of "terrorism" and "terrorists" (from another but related thread) is minimal at basically incorrect.

You jump back and forth with your conspiracy theories without ever actually stating what it is you think is going on and who is doing.

Your comments are very disconnected.

You need to focus and take the time to clearly present exactly what it is you are trying to say.

Or not... after all you have freedom of speech which include the freedom to write things that lack clarity.

Oh... and posting links to Wikipedia articles isn't helping clarify whatever your point is.


It's no worse than many of the conservative wing-nuts (i.e. trump)

A few facts, a some speculation, jump around, conflate, open-ended questions (often times irrelevant) and then sprinkle in some conjecture to create their own reality.

Luckily most of them do not have one of the worlds most powerful armed forces at their command.

i.e.
... Well, the hospital in Hawaii where they say Obama was born burned down. So, he must have been born in Kenya!
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#99New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 16:06:40
@4d4m Said

Simply stating that I'm incorrect and discounting the evidence I proved is insufficient. You need an argument countering my claims. Just saying I'm wrong as Micheal Savage might do doesn't discredit me. Your inability to comprehend what I'm writing is also insufficient. It might be that you quickly scan my posts and then type something up without taking the time to analyze it. If that is the case there's no reason for you to post at all.



You haven’t presented “evidence”.

You have presented various incorrect statements supported by partially correct statements.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#100New Post! Jan 13, 2020 @ 16:50:54
@4d4m Said

Simply stating that I'm incorrect and discounting the evidence I proved is insufficient. You need an argument countering my claims. Just saying I'm wrong as Micheal Savage might do doesn't discredit me. Your inability to comprehend what I'm writing is also insufficient. It might be that you quickly scan my posts and then type something up without taking the time to analyze it. If that is the case there's no reason for you to post at all.



Relative to the Middle East:

This statement of yours "before 9/11 the US main Muslim allies were Sunni and enemies Shi'ite. After 9/11 we went to war with Sunni Muslims to the benefit of Shi'ites." Is completely wrong.

> As stated countries that are majority Sunni were before 9/11 and remain today allies of the USA.
> Also as stated countries that are majority Shia were before 9/11 and remains today advisories and/or enemies of the USA.

Relative to the Iraq:

Prior to 9/11 Iraq (i.e. Saddam Hussein) was an ally of the USA. This was only peripherally related to the Sunni Majority in Iraq. What is specifically had to do with was the fact that Saddam Hussein had been more or less groomed as one of our allies as Iraq was a buffer between Iran and the rest of the Middle East. Saddam Hussein and his Ba'ath Party were out buddies. Yes, they were technically Sunnni, but being Sunni was not the point. The point was that Saddam Hussein was one of the many dictators that the USA propped up in order to support our international political agenda. The USA couldn't care less about what Saddam Hussein and his follower's religion was.

Relative to Iraq after 9/11: Once Saddam Hussein and his military was defeated, the USA made the completely misguided decision to remove all (or at least the vast majority) of the members of the Ba'ath Party from government and military positions. Again, yes as it turns our they were by vast majority Sunni. But that is not way they were removed from their positions. They were removed from their positions because they were members of the Ba'ath Party which was pro Saddam Hussein. The misguided fear was that the Ba'ath Party was anti-USA. That was not the case.

Relative to your statements in another thread about ISIS:

The formation of ISIS started NOT with Shia after either 9/11 nor the Second Gulf War. The formation of ISIS started in 1999 with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi was at best a Sunni in name only. Basically Zarqawi was a violent organized crime thug who liked cutting people's heads off (likely he was ultimately a serial murderer). After Iraq fell into civil war, Zarqawi's group gained momentum in attacking U.S. and Coalition Forces. The USA began calling Zarqawi's group Al Qaeda Iraq (AQI). This, quite frankly, was BS.

OBL and Al Qaeda didn't like Zarqawi and his group. However, the publicity of attacks against U.S. and Coalition Forces was so "good" that Al Qaeda embraced Zarqawi as AQI.

Over time, and after Zarqawi was killed, his group largely disbanded because:
1. Many were killed.
2. Many were arrested.
3. The organization lost its leadership.
4. The organization lost its logistical support.

By 2010 the AQI was all but gone. The USA began its withdrawal from Iraqi.

At this point the USA was essentially allowing the Shia government to discriminate/repress the Sunnis in Iraq. It had less to do with the USA liking the Shia and more to do with the USA making extremely poor choices.

Iraq & Syria 2013: Enter Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and the formation (or reformation) of what we now know as ISIS.

etc.... etc... etc...

Kurds in Iraq:

> Kurds consider themselves Sunni Muslims.
> Iraqi Kurds were and have been our allies throughout the Second Gulf War and to the present.

Granted we basically stabbed the Syrian Kurds in that back, but that has more to do with our relationship with Turkey than the status of the Kurds being Sunni.


As you can see your assessment of the Sunni - Shia situation in both the M.E. and Iraq is at best massively over simplified and in actuality incorrect.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




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#101New Post! Jan 14, 2020 @ 02:57:12
So it was a retaliatory strike first defense of an imminent threat to maybe not 4 embassies as a strategy of deterrence ... and that other guy ...

Gotcha!



At least competent administration would keep on the same page with their lies.

Everybody agreed there were WMMDs ... until there weren't. (Then the doubters came out)
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#102New Post! Jan 14, 2020 @ 03:23:55
Ok first of all, I'm not a right winger. The fact that up until 9/11 we supported mainly Sunni nations is not disputable, it is a fact. Our allies in the region are Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait. Our main opponents there were Shi'ite. I backed this up with lots of wikis and such. To dispute this you must present a counter argument.
After 9/11 we went to Afghanistan to take on Al Queda and the Taliban, Sunni groups. This is unusual. THAT was all I said.
Somehow you have managed to turn this into some big stupid fest and not provide any argument or material to back up your claim that I am wrong. FOX news needs you
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#103New Post! Jan 14, 2020 @ 03:25:26
And by the way you are right about the Kurds, but that also backs up my statement. The Kurds are a mostly Sunni group. Note the PKK is considered a terrorist group by the USA. ISIS is a Sunni apocalyptic group made up of Iraqi Sunnis and former officers from the Iraqi Army, displaced by Shi'ite leadership in the new Iraq. THAT is what I said. The reason the Shi'tes run Iraq? The US invasion. NOTE: didn't say we made enemies of Sunnis and befriended Shi'ites. I said " we then attacked Sunnis to the benefit of Shi'ites." English comprehension. In that statement does it say we changed alliances at all?
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#104New Post! Jan 14, 2020 @ 03:33:28
Today in the news supposedly Trump gave the order to kill Soleimani 7 months ago
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-authorized-soleimani-s-killing-7-months-ago-conditions-n1113271

The condition was said to be if any US citizens death resulted from Iranian aggression. Does this contradict anything he's said recently?
4d4m On December 23, 2022




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#105New Post! Jan 14, 2020 @ 03:38:01
Still no news on the identities of passengers on the downed airlines but we did get an apology. Hopefully the apology doesn't lead to passivity.
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