Brexit

If the economy had gone south under WJC, he probably would have been removed.

Remember, impeachment is primarily a political tool.

In UK Trump is a seriously bad guy. We really..... REALLY don't like him.

There was a lot of public anger that he was allowed to visit UK at all and the fact that it was then escalated to a full State Visit prompted major demonstrations in London.

Johnson...? Already there is concern about the direction the country is going to go now that he has a majority. There is much unease about the Queen's Speech last week.

One radio commentator said today "The recession will be when your neighbour loses his job. The depression will be when you lose yours. The recovery will begin when Johnson loses his."

Are they the bad guys...? You betcha.

Come, come, Jen. Let's say what you really mean, hey? Among the chatterers, pedo supporting s*** weasels and other assorted, 'left wing' scum, Trump is disliked. He is absolutely loved by the working class though.

Your type love Obama for threatening to punish the British workers for leaving an organisation they never wanted to join (the EU), and hate Trump for trying to help those same British workers now that they might finally see an end to your repeated attempts to overthrow democracy.

Try being honest for a change, Jen.

I have read many of your posts, all of which have been stupid beyond belief, but none of those qualify as remotely close to the utter bulls*** you've written above.

So, British workers didn't want to join the EU in 1973, eh...? So, why did a majority far larger than that of the 2016 referendum vote to remain in the EU in the 1975 vote...?

Voters Were Not Conned In 1975

My previous comments about your racism, Islamophobia, Nazism and bigotry still apply. You are utter scum and I despise you.

Thanks, Jen. I love you too.

So you are arguing that those pampered, elitist little clowns attacking workers on the street and calling them racist are members of the working class? Aaaaall righty then.

And you are also arguing that workers in the UK voted in 1975 to join an organisation that didn't start until years later (the European Union)? Fair enough. I had no idea the British had invented time travel. Would you mind if I borrow that machine for a minute?

I think it would be fun to look at all the ways you resemble a Nazi and/or fascist, then compare that list to all the ways I do.

It could be an illustrative, even teachable moment for you, one feels.

Hitler believed in social justice. I don't. Mussolini also appeared to be a fan.

Hitler thought race was an issue. I don't.

Hitler was a friend of Islam. I'm not.

Hitler liked Islam's anti-Jewish aspect and its bent for bloodshed and power. I dislike both of these things (and to be fair to you here, I believe you also oppose them to the extent you're aware of them).

I support Jews and I support Israel's right to self determination. I'm not sure Hitler did the former or would have done the latter (and I'm not sure where you stand, but believe you would also support the right of Israel to exist, and the right of Jews to defend themselves against aggression).

I oppose strict government control of the economy. Hitler did not, nor did Mussolini.

I oppose government control of media. Hitler didn't. Nor did Mussolini.

I oppose government using schools to indoctrinate children. Hitler did not, nor did Mussolini.

I oppose government restrictions on free speech. Hitler did not, nor did Mussolini.

I believe people should be free to believe and say things I dislike and disagree with. Hitler and Mussolini didn't.

I oppose the government using force to stop certain types of speech. Hitler and Mussolini both used force to stop speech.

I oppose political violence (and to be fair, I believe you also do). Hitler and Mussolini didn't.

Like you, I do not oppose homosexuality (although I am straight). I think Hitler and Mussolini both did.

I think you may side with Hitler and Mussolini on many of these issues outside of those I indicated, if not most.

For a bonus point:
I am not trying to, nor am I advocating, the overthrow of the government of Canada, France or Germany, even though I believe they are catastrophic cancerous blights. I think democracy is a value to be upheld, even when I dislike the outcome - although I do think people should be required to earn their privilege of voting.

Your turn.

No response to my above post Jen? That's a shame. I think it would do you the world of good to realise some of the many ways you are like your lefty compatriots and fellow social justice warriors of the National Socialist and fascist persuasion - and how incredibly unlike them I am. I have so few things in common with these guys we are almost a different species. You and they, on the other hand, are almost indecently close.



That aside, I hope you had a merry Christmas, and I wish and your family a blessed new year, Jen (and I mean that, for the record).

Funny how the left see ANYONE slightly right of Trotsky as a "right wing extremist."

Three big dates next year. January 31, June 30 and December 31...

Interesting how in the EU budget that ends in 2020 there is a fund of 3.8 billion Euros for the most financially vulnerable people in the zone. However, in the budget starting in 2021 this fund completely disappears.

There is still the chance that the EU will refuse to ratify the WA unless BJ makes it clear that he would be open to extending the negotiation period. If BJ didnt cave in and the EU held firm then the UK could still leave under WTO terms come January 31. Unlikely but certainly possible.

What makes it even funnier is that those they call "right wing extremists" like Hitler and Mussolini were so far to the left that they rubbed shoulders with Stalin, Mao and all the other communist and socialist psychopaths of last century.

And so Labour are still trying to delay Brexit whilst the Lib Dems are still trying to stop it altogether.

Because attempting to force people to get in line and play follow the leader was ever going to work out well...

The people voted and Johnson's deal won. It would take nothing short of a miracle to stop it now. Be that as it may, the vote didn't change anyone's opinion, it was simply an act of voicing that opinion. The people who still believe it's a risky gamble for unknown gains that isn't worth it will still think the same, feel the same, and act according to those beliefs. As will the people who don't and believe everything will work out fine.

Democracy is rarely about finding compromises that everyone is happy about. It's mostly about who has majority power to crush the opposition.

As a side note, I find it rather interesting that for as different as Shadow, and Jen claim to be, there are similarities between both that run rather deep. Both of you hold on to a certain set of beliefs extremely tightly. Those beliefs may be different, and take you in different directions, but the fervor behind them is the same in all three of you. Some might even go so far as to call it 'dogmatic'. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it must be acknowledged that it can leave your perspectives somewhat...blinkered at times.

Both of you have a nasty habit of referencing your beliefs and emotions to support your arguments. Whether it's Jennifer's belief that the public was 'duped' into voting for Brexit, or Shadow's beliefs about the collusion between the government and the EU, you both have a habit of relying on fundamental beliefs to get your points across. There's one very big flaw with that, however. Your beliefs are not their beliefs, so referencing them holds no weight with the other person.

As for myself, I'm also guilty of this at times, and try to correct myself when I can. My main belief that compels my input in this discussion is that 'hypocrisy is unacceptable'. This also dictates largely how I interact with both of you. There are certainly many, many things that I disagree with Jennifer on, but I rarely see hypocrisy from her. Shadow on the other hand...

Now I had no problem with Shadow first bringing up the perfectly valid criticism of Jennifer bringing up source less information before. What I DID take issue with was Shadow doing the same thing after having called her on it, and it just continued from there.

Funny how on the occasions you have claimed i have been a hypocrite I have asked you for evidence and you have never been able to give any.


And hey, I am more than happy for the Lib Dems, Labour and the Greens etc to become rejoiners.