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gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7636New Post! Jan 06, 2020 @ 11:55:25
@shadowen Said

I don't believe there is any evidence that supports the contention that the dropping of the two atomic bombs significantly influenced Japan's decision to surrender. Indeed just about all US military leaders from Marshall to Eisenhower voiced the opinion that dropping the atomic bombs was militarily unnecessary. General Curtis LeMay for example stated shortly after the nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan that " The war would have been over in two weeks...The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all".

We know from surviving notes that the Supreme Council didn't even meet until three days after Hiroshima was bombed, and when they met the US use of the atomic bomb barely rated a mention. Instead the focus was on the Soviet Union. Indeed the Supreme Council thought that the bombing of Hiroshima was not important enough to warrant a special meeting. General Anami stated on August 13 that the atomic bombings were no more menacing than the fire-bombing that Japan had endured for months. What was far more menacing however was the prospect of an imminent Soviet invasion of the Japanese home islands and what that might mean for the Emperor.

Since early 1945 the allies knew that Japan was looking for a way to surrender. They wished to do so in a way that enabled them to save face and that would preserve the status and position of the Emperor. The US and UK however demanded unconditional surrender and so the Japanese fought on. Up until the Soviets declared war on Japan the Government still hoped that the allies could be persuaded to accept a conditional surrender. Once the Soviet's declared war and invaded Manchuria and Sakhalin Island however Japan's options were limited, and they were time pressed to come to a decision, as Soviet troops could be in a position to invade Japan's home islands before the end of August.

The Japanese were primarily concerned that the Soviets would execute the Emperor and the rest of the Royal family. In the end they decided that surrendering to the allies was the lesser of two evils re the potential fate of the Emperor. Ironically the allies agreed not to put the Emperor on trial and to indeed preserve his basic position AFTER the Japanese agreed to surrender unconditionally. Had the allies made it known to the Japanese how the Emperor would be treated after Japan surrendered the war may have finished months earlier.

The reality is that by the time the two atomic bombs were dropped the outcome of the war was already a foregone conclusion and that an invasion of the Japanese home islands by the allies wasnt even necessary. There were however already growing tensions with the Soviets and the US government wanted Stalin to know they had this powerful new weapon as post war Europe and Asia were being shaped.

Anyway, I don't think it was a case of killing two birds with the one stone as I don't believe the dropping of the two atomic bombs was in any way the catalyst for Japan's decision to finally accept unconditional surrender for the reasons given.

Having said all of the above this is going off topic so I won't look to debate the issue further in this thread. Might look at creating a specific thread to discuss this in the history channel.


You're saying there's a chance?
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7637New Post! Jan 07, 2020 @ 01:19:35
Secretary of Defense Mark Esper on Monday contradicted President Donald Trump by asserting the US would not target Iranian cultural sites amid rising tensions after a US strike killed Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani.

"We will follow the laws of armed conflict,"

When pressed if that meant not targeting Iranian cultural sites, Esper replied, "That's the laws of armed conflict."


I guess Esper is not long for the Trump administration... kind of reads like a pre-resignation letter.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7638New Post! Jan 07, 2020 @ 22:06:23
Thoughts and prayers for all the mourners crushed in the streets during recent events surrounding the death of our very own terrorist General Soleimani. I never knew ye and almost wished I did.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7639New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 12:47:33
@gakINGKONG Said

Thoughts and prayers for all the mourners crushed in the streets during recent events surrounding the death of our very own terrorist General Soleimani. I never knew ye and almost wished I did.



Suppose the USA could have dropped off a stack of unmarked bills instead. That bought us not very much but at least Hollywood would be happy.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#7640New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 14:40:38
@gakINGKONG Said

Suppose the USA could have dropped off a stack of unmarked bills instead. That bought us not very much but at least Hollywood would be happy.


You mean instead of killing QS?

As I understand it, QS was at least co-operative with the US until Iran was included in the Axis of Evil, and the Elite Guard put on the Terrorist list.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7641New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 14:57:40
@mrmhead Said

You mean instead of killing QS?

As I understand it, QS was at least co-operative with the US until Iran was included in the Axis of Evil, and the Elite Guard put on the Terrorist list.



Since the drone strike, I've heard it said that the US is now more unsafe. Not sure what to think about that.

I get that the Iranians probably don't get the same level of comfort from Trump that they received from Obama. Still, it's their choice if they plan to kill Americans. The difference here is Mr. Trump hits back and sometimes he will preemptively hit first. Appeasement politics isn't his thing.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7642New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 16:34:01
Thanks Obama!


mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#7643New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 21:28:54
@gakINGKONG Said

Suppose the USA could have dropped off a stack of unmarked bills instead. That bought us not very much but at least Hollywood would be happy.



Or is that a comment trying to support your savior's lies. .. the "$150 billion Obama gave to Iran" ....?
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7644New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 22:48:20
@mrmhead Said

Or is that a comment trying to support your savior's lies. .. the "$150 billion Obama gave to Iran" ....?



Our Lord and Saviour is Christ Jesus is the Light of the World. " . . . he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, shall have the light of life."

Donald Jehosephat Trump, however, is merely the president of the USA. If he did say $150 billion, you and I both know that he is wrong either misinformed or a liar or both

Obama only gave 1.7 billion to Iran.

Only.

But yeah, it surely wasn't 150 billion. When you're right you're right.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#7645New Post! Jan 08, 2020 @ 23:33:50
@gakINGKONG Said

Our Lord and Saviour is Christ Jesus is the Light of the World. " . . . he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, shall have the light of life."

Donald Jehosephat Trump, however, is merely the president of the USA. If he did say $150 billion, you and I both know that he is wrong either misinformed or a liar or both

Obama only gave 1.7 billion to Iran.

Only.

But yeah, it surely wasn't 150 billion. When you're right you're right.



$1.7 b
paid Back.
...As determined by international courts for money paid by Iran for products not received from the US.

So despicable by Trump's standards. Others should pay for items they don't get.. and others should not expect to be paid for their services rendered!

THATs the way Trump States of America will operate!

And a few bankruptcies later We'll Be The Greatest Of All Time!!

All hail DJCT
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7646New Post! Jan 09, 2020 @ 00:44:48
@gakINGKONG Said

Our Lord and Saviour Donald Christ Jesus Trump is the Light of the World.


Fixed that for you.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7647New Post! Jan 09, 2020 @ 00:48:37
@mrmhead Said

$1.7 b

paid Back.




Yes... as it was always Iran's money that had only been held essentially forzen.

And... odldly enough... U.S. sanctions prohibited the money from being returned to Iran by way of bank electronic transfers, thus once released there was no other option but to release the money in hard cash... paper... on pallets... since there was so much of it.

Sooner or later the money was going to go back to Iran as it was theirs and had always been theirs.

Whatever "we" are "we" are not outright thieves...

....mostly.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7648New Post! Jan 09, 2020 @ 02:43:28
And Iran so far away. I couldn't get away!
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7649New Post! Jan 10, 2020 @ 00:25:03
I see trees of green red roses too. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

And I think to myself " hey Mitch, whatchoo gon do with my Articles of Peachtea?"
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#7650New Post! Jan 10, 2020 @ 01:40:00
If I'm elected to office, I will hold a ceremony in the rose garden and read the names of every child on Santa's naughty list.
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