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Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

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GreatestIam2 On October 17, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! Oct 08, 2019 @ 00:56:06
Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL
mrmhead On about 4 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Oct 08, 2019 @ 01:40:08
Is that really "burying" him?

It would be more like sending your son away to summer camp, and then he comes back.
chaski 5 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#3New Post! Oct 08, 2019 @ 02:31:49
The new "Jesus" is Donald Trump.

He has "great and unmatched wisdom".

darkman666 On about 11 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#4New Post! Oct 08, 2019 @ 03:10:08
back then, god should Charles heston for jesus. chuck played moses, ben hur, and fought against apes in the planet of apes, and fought democrats in the omega man. he would been the perfect jesus carrying an uzi in the desert.
GreatestIam2 On October 17, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#5New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 15:54:49
@mrmhead Said

Is that really "burying" him?

It would be more like sending your son away to summer camp, and then he comes back.


I agree.

Not to Christians though.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On October 17, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#6New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 15:55:23
@chaski Said

The new "Jesus" is Donald Trump.

He has "great and unmatched wisdom".



He hides it well.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On October 17, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#7New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 15:57:11
@darkman666 Said

back then, god should Charles heston for jesus. chuck played moses, ben hur, and fought against apes in the planet of apes, and fought democrats in the omega man. he would been the perfect jesus carrying an uzi in the desert.


God will get you for blasphemy. Not.

Regards
DL
chaski 5 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#8New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 16:24:42
@GreatestIam2 Said

He hides it well.

Regards
DL


Yes he does.


Of course the reality is that he might well be the dumbest president in history.

He without a doubt the most immature twit in U.S. political history... and sits as an indictment against the so called 'greatness" of the USA and clearly points out the stupidity and/or willful ignorance of both his followers and the GOP, who somehow believe that he is their savior.
Erimitus On December 11, 2019




The mind of God, Antarctica
#9New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 17:47:52
@chaski Said

Yes he does.


Of course the reality is that he might well be the dumbest president in history.

He without a doubt the most immature twit in U.S. political history... and sits as an indictment against the so called 'greatness" of the USA and clearly points out the stupidity and/or willful ignorance of both his followers and the GOP, who somehow believe that he is their savior.



and the country, as a whole, that elected him isn't overwhelmingly bright.

There is a tendency to underestimate the number of stupid people who vote.

Stupid people, as a group, are far more powerful than any major organization.

Without leaders, organization, or manifesto they opperate with great effect and apparent coordination.
chaski 5 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#10New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 18:18:16
So, on the topic of "god choosing jesus"...


To be fair, based not he dogma god and jesus are one and the same.


That is, there is god as the over all one and only god.... Then there is the division of god into three entities: the father, the son and the holy spirit. These three parts of god are in fact the one god.

So, in "picking" jesus for sacrifice god essentially selected himself. (Way over simplifying it) the idea is that god took a part of himself and created "it" in a human form, so that god could experience the human condition (including sin) and thus be sacrificed to save all humans (or at least the one's willingly accepting the salvation).

Now, there are a lot of flaws to that entire set up... and 'it" has caused a lot of confusions in christians (both in general and in relation to the various christian sects). None the less, it is essential to understand that "jesus" is actually a part of (or manifestation of) not "the father but rather a manifestation of god in "his" unified totality.

So, asking if "the Father have chosen the cross for himself?" doesn't really make any sense.

God did in fact choose himself... "he" chose a specific manifestation of "himself" to accomplish a particular mission... goal.

_____________________________

Of course the entire thing is standard mythological motif, so beyond the metaphorical it is nonsense that has confused "christians" for the better part of the last 2000 years.

A starting point might even be:

> Why would an infinite god be limited to only three (3) aspects of "himself" in which to manifest "himself"?

OR

> If "god" so loved the world (i.e. humans) Why did he have to create three manifestation of himself, then have one (i.e. the father) have to impregnate a human woman to create a male child, which had to be sacrificed by some humans in order to offer salvation to all humans?

One would think that a infinite all knowing all powerful perfect god, would be able come up with a similar solution to the problem.

The problem being, of course, SIN


..."sin" which god created in the first place.

_____________________________

Honestly, the reincarnation idea makes much more sense... that is:

>>> You stupid humans are going to keep living in anguish, despair and suffering, over and over and over again... until you figure out how to use your freewill and god given brain to behave yourselves, at which point you will get to come home to the peace, love and light that is your god...

etc.


(Sorry... way over simplified all that.)
Erimitus On December 11, 2019




The mind of God, Antarctica
#11New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 18:25:34
@chaski Said

So, on the topic of "god choosing jesus"...


To be fair, based not he dogma god and jesus are one and the same.


That is, there is god as the over all one and only god.... Then there is the division of god into three entities: the father, the son and the holy spirit. These three parts of god are in fact the one god.

So, in "picking" jesus for sacrifice god essentially selected himself. (Way over simplifying it) the idea is that god took a part of himself and created "it" in a human form, so that god could experience the human condition (including sin) and thus be sacrificed to save all humans (or at least the one's willingly accepting the salvation).

Now, there are a lot of flaws to that entire set up... and 'it" has caused a lot of confusions in christians (both in general and in relation to the various christian sects). None the less, it is essential to understand that "jesus" is actually a part of (or manifestation of) not "the father but rather a manifestation of god in "his" unified totality.

So, asking if "the Father have chosen the cross for himself?" doesn't really make any sense.

God did in fact choose himself... "he" chose a specific manifestation of "himself" to accomplish a particular mission... goal.

_____________________________

Of course the entire thing is standard mythological motif, so beyond the metaphorical it is nonsense that has confused "christians" for the better part of the last 2000 years.

A starting point might even be:

> Why would an infinite god be limited to only three (3) aspects of "himself" in which to manifest "himself"?

OR

> If "god" so loved the world (i.e. humans) Why did he have to create three manifestation of himself, then have one (i.e. the father) have to impregnate a human woman to create a male child, which had to be sacrificed by some humans in order to offer salvation to all humans?

One would think that a infinite all knowing all powerful perfect god, would be able come up with a similar solution to the problem.

The problem being, of course, SIN


..."sin" which god created in the first place.

_____________________________

Honestly, the reincarnation idea makes much more sense... that is:

>>> You stupid humans are going to keep living in anguish, despair and suffering, over and over and over again... until you figure out how to use your freewill and god given brain to behave yourselves, at which point you will get to come home to the peace, love and light that is your god...

etc.


(Sorry... way over simplified all that.)



the One begot the two
the Two begot the three
And the Three begot all things
<<I Ching>>
chaski 5 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#12New Post! Oct 12, 2019 @ 19:36:15
@Erimitus Said

the One begot the two
the Two begot the three
And the Three begot all things
<<I Ching>>


Yes... this is how single celled organisms reproduce... sort of.
GreatestIam2 On October 17, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#13New Post! Oct 16, 2019 @ 20:13:56
@chaski Said

Yes he does.


Of course the reality is that he might well be the dumbest president in history.

He without a doubt the most immature twit in U.S. political history... and sits as an indictment against the so called 'greatness" of the USA and clearly points out the stupidity and/or willful ignorance of both his followers and the GOP, who somehow believe that he is their savior.


Careful with the stupid label.

Democrats let it all happen.

Regards
DL
chaski 5 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#14New Post! Oct 16, 2019 @ 21:35:49
@GreatestIam2 Said

Careful with the stupid label.

Democrats let it all happen.

Regards
DL


You won't catch me praising the Democrat party, but to be both fair and honest about it >>> Americans let it all happen.

Of course that doesn't excuse conservatives and Republicans being stupid enough to believe the complete idiocy that comes out of Trumps' mouth and from the tips of his fingers to Twitter.
chaski 5 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#15New Post! Oct 16, 2019 @ 21:38:55
@chaski Said


To be fair, based not he dogma god and jesus are one and the same.



Wow... sorry... I just noticed that typo... should have been: based on the dogma...
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