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Leon On about 4 hours ago




San Diego, California
#61New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:14:20
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Not being American I didn't grow up with Trump being a thing. I've seen bits and pieces of him here and there and see his more boastful side as what we in Aus call "American." From our perspective Americans are just brash, even arrogant by nature... (to you guys I can only assume many of us are rude,opinionated and offensive - which we are but it's a cultural thing. We call our mates c*nt and if you're a c*nt we call you mate, just before we punch you )

Anyway... that doesn't put me off him. I also enjoy the fact that he is a s***lord, his mocking of others is awesome.

But I see him as genuine, despite all of his flaws. If it turns out in the end that I was and he was in it for ego, I'd be surprised, but I'll admit it.

What does "cleaning the swamp" mean to you? I agree it should be done. I just wonder what it means to each of us and whether it means the same thing.


I will agree with you here in that he isn’t afraid to speak his mind and isn’t afraid of being politically correct at all. Which I suppose can be seen as a positive trait....unless what is on your mind is morally degenerate.

Clearing the swamp means getting corporate influence out of politics.
DiscordTiger On about 17 hours ago
The Queen of Random

Administrator




Emerald City, United States (g
#62New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:19:10
Cleaning the swamp doesn't mean putting the person who's wealth comes from predatory student loan collections in charge of Education, who can turn around and rewrite policy where people have been participating in a 9 years into ta 10 year program to get there loans paid off...get screwed over and have to pay more making the family even richer.
Leon On about 4 hours ago




San Diego, California
#63New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:27:26
@DiscordTiger Said

Cleaning the swamp doesn't mean putting the person who's wealth comes from predatory student loan collections in charge of Education, who can turn around and rewrite policy where people have been participating in a 9 years into ta 10 year program to get there loans paid off...get screwed over and have to pay more making the family even richer.


And putting an Exxon CEO in as Secretary of State. Although I will admit, he turned out to be a much more competent person than Trump. Which of course got him the boot.

And, besides placing such people in positions of power, carrying out Koch Brothers-lobbied actions such as deregulating banks, eliminating net neutrality, pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, and relaxing Obamacare requirements. As well as ass-kissing Saudi Arabia and Russia, refusing to disclose his own business interests, etc...
bob_the_fisherman On November 15, 2019
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#64New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:30:54
@Leon Said

I will agree with you here in that he isn’t afraid to speak his mind and isn’t afraid of being politically correct at all. Which I suppose can be seen as a positive trait....unless what is on your mind is morally degenerate.

Clearing the swamp means getting corporate influence out of politics.


We agree on that then.

How could that be done in the US? I know how to do it here. We desperately need a Royal Commission to look at the money paid by big corporations and even more urgently, the Chinese, to our political parties and individual politicians. We also need an across the board annihilation of the nation killing bureaucracy, and the dismantling of the feminist driven education system that teaches kids there's 700 genders, that feelings are all that matter, and that reading, writing and thinking are bad (the last bit is slightly hyperbolic and slightly irritated).
Leon On about 4 hours ago




San Diego, California
#65New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:41:11
@bob_the_fisherman Said

We agree on that then.

How could that be done in the US? I know how to do it here. We desperately need a Royal Commission to look at the money paid by big corporations and even more urgently, the Chinese, to our political parties and individual politicians. We also need an across the board annihilation of the nation killing bureaucracy, and the dismantling of the feminist driven education system that teaches kids there's 700 genders, that feelings are all that matter, and that reading, writing and thinking are bad (the last bit is slightly hyperbolic and slightly irritated).


Not sure what the feminist education has to do with corporate influence on government , but it all sounds good.

The problem here is the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person, and so is allowed to influence political opinion just like a person (even if it has a LOT more money than a normal person does, not to mention it is a “person” with just one sole purpose in life: profit). So that probably is where to start. The court ruled 5-4 on this, so maybe someday it will shift.

But if I were given a blank paper and in charge of setting up a government, in addition to outlawing flat out bribery, I might say a good solution would be a requirement that all political contributions to be put in a pooled account, from which every qualified candidate gets an equal amount. And perhaps that no politician or close family member can work for a corporation above a certain position or salary, other than what he/she may have already had or have, after leaving office for a certain number of years.
DiscordTiger On about 17 hours ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#66New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:44:32
@Leon Said

And putting an Exxon CEO in as Secretary of State. Although I will admit, he turned out to be a much more competent person than Trump. Which of course got him the boot.

And, besides placing such people in positions of power, carrying out Koch Brothers-lobbied actions such as deregulating banks, eliminating net neutrality, pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, and relaxing Obamacare requirements. As well as ass-kissing Saudi Arabia and Russia, refusing to disclose his own business interests, etc...


His entire initial cabinet was picked as if a cartoon villain was assigning the worst possible choice.

McConnel's wife has a position, that it appears she was giving him preferential treatment.
The WWE woman as the small business administration.

Perry in charge of energy dept.. you know the one he couldn't even remember in the three departments he would cut. Nukes, dude is overseeing the nuke department, becuase they mistakenly thought energy only involved big oil, and perry is from texas with lots of oil.
bob_the_fisherman On November 15, 2019
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#67New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:53:24
@Leon Said
But if I were given a blank paper and in charge of setting up a government, in addition to outlawing flat out bribery, I might say a good solution would be a requirement that all political contributions to be put in a pooled account, from which every qualified candidate gets an equal amount. And perhaps that no politician or close family member can work for a corporation above a certain position or salary, other than what he/she may have already had or have, after leaving office for a certain number of years.


I think direct political donations should also be removed. And yes, a pool of money from which all candidates get a share for advertising in the lead up to elections would also be good. Obviously, there would have to be weighting to the system. You don't want the "Animal lovers" party to get the same advertising funds as the sitting candidate. But direct donations are cancerous to democracy.

I was aware of the stupid idea that a corporation is a person. I would assume that was a Republican judge thing?

Your SC from our perspective seems insanely partisan with judges often voting party affiliation. We have a high court with power to rule on Constitutional Matters and it is always an issue, but generally for a judge to get on the court requires something near universal assent. Politics (until recently) was not an issue. It has tended to slowly lean more toward leftist activism in recent times, which is destructive and sad.

@Leon Said

Not sure what the feminist education has to do with corporate influence on government , but it all sounds good.


Because an uneducated people is an unvigilant, unaware people. The cancer started when we stopped watching.
bob_the_fisherman On November 15, 2019
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#68New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:57:41
@DiscordTiger Said

His entire initial cabinet was picked as if a cartoon villain was assigning the worst possible choice.

McConnel's wife has a position, that it appears she was giving him preferential treatment.
The WWE woman as the small business administration.

Perry in charge of energy dept.. you know the one he couldn't even remember in the three departments he would cut. Nukes, dude is overseeing the nuke department, becuase they mistakenly thought energy only involved big oil, and perry is from texas with lots of oil.


What effect does that have though? Our Department heads can't rule by fiat. In Aus it is bureaucrats who formulate policy and run everything. The guy at the top is really little more than the pointless figurehead - it is, in fact, one problem with the system. The unaccountable have grown in power and influence. Here the figurehead can and does at times give some idea of a direction to head, but it is the unaccountable underlings who do everything. Is the US different?
Leon On about 4 hours ago




San Diego, California
#69New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 22:59:45
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I think direct political donations should also be removed. And yes, a pool of money from which all candidates get a share for advertising in the lead up to elections would also be good. Obviously, there would have to be weighting to the system. You don't want the "Animal lovers" party to get the same advertising funds as the sitting candidate. But direct donations are cancerous to democracy.

I was aware of the stupid idea that a corporation is a person. I would assume that was a Republican judge thing?

Your SC from our perspective seems insanely partisan with judges often voting party affiliation. We have a high court with power to rule on Constitutional Matters and it is always an issue, but generally for a judge to get on the court requires something near universal assent. Politics (until recently) was not an issue. It has tended to slowly lean more toward leftist activism in recent times, which is destructive and sad.



Because an uneducated people is an unvigilant, unaware people. The cancer started when we stopped watching.


Hmm, well every party should be able to dip, but maybe it can be weighted on the number of members, as to weed out the silly ones? Or maybe it’s just fine to have them all dip the same amount. It’s all just advertising anyways.

At least details like that can be ironed out.

Yes, the SC had 5 members appointed by past Republican Presidents and 4 members appointed by past Democrat Presidents at the time. Guess who voted for what.

Today it is still pretty much the same (5-4 in favor of Republicans), although we do have one person from the Republican side who seems to vote on conviction from time to time rather than remain in lockstep all the time with the others, so there is still hope of it avoiding blatant partisanship.

Whole thing is a joke really though.
DiscordTiger On about 17 hours ago
The Queen of Random

Administrator




Emerald City, United States (g
#70New Post! Mar 07, 2019 @ 23:52:22
@bob_the_fisherman Said

What effect does that have though? Our Department heads can't rule by fiat. In Aus it is bureaucrats who formulate policy and run everything. The guy at the top is really little more than the pointless figurehead - it is, in fact, one problem with the system. The unaccountable have grown in power and influence. Here the figurehead can and does at times give some idea of a direction to head, but it is the unaccountable underlings who do everything. Is the US different?



The cabinet position is the head of the department. They have final say on all decisions with in the department and are in charge of giving overall direction as to what policies to implement. They can delegate things to underlings, who are generally not political appointments, but ultimately they are responsible.
Same reason everyone thinks Hillary was ultimately personally responsible for Benghazi. It was under her department.
chaski On about 2 hours ago
Stalker





Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#71New Post! Mar 08, 2019 @ 00:55:51
@DiscordTiger Said

The cabinet position is the head of the department. They have final say on all decisions with in the department and are in charge of giving overall direction as to what policies to implement. They can delegate things to underlings, who are generally not political appointments, but ultimately they are responsible.
Same reason everyone thinks Hillary was ultimately personally responsible for Benghazi. It was under her department.



DT your point is factual.

However, it fails to consider that Trump is the best and knows the best people and has brought on the best people. (We know this because he said so.... words speak louder than actions.)

And, even though quite few of these appointees have gotten in trouble for unethical behavior (both before and after their appointments to head various Federal agencies)...

And even though quite a few have resigned (or been fired if you believe Trump) for disagreeing with some of Trump's stupid ideas...

They are all... well... the BEST!

And when thinking what THE BEST think: Manafort just got 47 months in jail.

(Granted that is just one of the cases against him; he has at least one other federal case pending and possibly one or two state level cases.)

Anyway... THE BEST!

Oh... and don't forget... SHRILLARY!
mrmhead On about 2 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#72New Post! Mar 08, 2019 @ 02:16:36
@bob_the_fisherman Said


I like Trump because despite all of his flaws and problems he is the only leader in the west who seems to even try to act in the interests of the people. You may not agree with all he does (and neither do I), but again, we shouldn't expect to agree with anyone on everything.



I have to snip and reply before I read the rest of this thread ...

I somewhat agree. He'll do things that I agree with (he already has, but I forget), and some that I won't. I don't agree that he'll do things "in the interest of the people" -- he will simply continue to play to his base only.

It's the f***ing-up of international relations and his stupid-ass lying, ego-maniac tweets and speeches and actions that is Unbecoming of a President

Let's put Willy Nelson as head of GM. Joe Walsh head of GE ... Lets see what happens!! They're at least Popular!!

That's what the GOP has done.

What kind of serious vetting did Trump get before the GOP backed him? All they saw was votes and a chance to win. They gambled with the genie and the genie won. Now they've got to play the rest of the game.

.... that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...
bob_the_fisherman On November 15, 2019
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#73New Post! Mar 08, 2019 @ 08:27:30
@mrmhead Said

It's the f***ing-up of international relations and his stupid-ass lying, ego-maniac tweets and speeches and actions that is Unbecoming of a President


Yeah, this I simply don't get - for many of us outside the US Trump is attaining legend status. There's s***eloads of us who were genuinely fearful of 4 or 8 more years of anti-western bungling stupidity of Obama in a dress (Swillary). Trump has been better than I hoped for, although still a long way from perfect.

He ripped in to Europe over their galling hypocrisy in trade tariffs, their dealing with Iran, and Russia's Nord Stream II Gas Pipeline etc., and the absurd immigration policy that has seen terror threats escalate and has repeatedly said that leaders (and referencing western ones but not only them), should be working on behalf of their own people first, but not at the expense of all.

To people like me who are watching Australia get sold to China one farm at a time while our political class take huge slabs of Chinese money, rack up debt, bring in Muslims who are becoming increasingly hostile and blatantly attacking freedom in their ever growing neighbourhoods and stomp on our freedom to speak by bringing in "hate speech" laws, Trump is literally like fresh air in a room full the rancid gas of a decaying Hillary. And he spoke in support of Brexit into the bargain (unlike the last muppet who threatened the English in an attempt to make sure the people voted correctly).

Oh, and he also gave one the best speeches in defence of freedom and western values of the last half century in Poland.

Outside the US, among those of us who care about things like freedom, Trump is the one light on an increasingly dark and bleak horizon.

Now, having said all of that he has many flaws. But for those of us without a constitutionally protected of right of free speech we will take whatever we can get at the moment.

I would love Trump to come out and speak or tweet in support of Tommy Robinson. What has been done to him is the type of thing you expect from Soviet Russia, not a free, democratic western state.
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