Sadly, This Is What Our Once Great Democracy Is Coming To

@DiscordTiger Said

I'll admit to not knowing a lot about Brexit, other than it sounds like a dumsterfire in the making....

but many people on our side of the pond vote against their interests all the time. I don't get it either.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

I think almost everyone votes against their interests across the west these days, as few if any politicians are seeking to act in our interests, so it's almost impossible not to. And knowing what is actually in our interests is difficult.

For example; I absolutely stand opposed to the current left's re-articulation of Nazi rhetoric about a privileged race wielding institutional power and the calls for social justice to be invoked as a counter against it. Being a history student and teacher, I see what the fallout of this rhetoric can be.

A major part of the problem these days is that too many people know too little about far too much. And that is not an accident. Thirty years ago universities were teaching teachers not to teach.

I am convinced that there needs to be a test taken before people are given the privilege of voting.

@DiscordTiger Said

Or one side is seen as baby killing monsters, and nothing else matters.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

Again, the left don't help themselves much. But before I begin I'll repeat what I've said here many times. I 100% oppose abortion, but support the right of a woman to have one, and have supported female friends that have had one. But they know that I don't support their decision.

Now that's out of the way: Wanting a woman to be allowed to abort the baby while she's delivering it, or, even to leave a baby to die once born just because the mother decides having a child might interrupt her sex life is not a good look. Yet some tool from the DNC was basically advocating something like that recently (I'm using hyperbole to some degree, but not much).

@DiscordTiger Said

No, you are missing my point.
It doesn't matter what anyone's actual opinion on anything is, even being associated for one side makes you a baby killing monster.
In the minds of the "Base" you are now also a baby killing enabling monster. end of.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

Well yes there are extreme numpties on both sides. I have no time for any of them. If you support Trump you're a Nazi (even though those saying that are the only ones throwing around Nazi slogans) and should be bashed, or, if you support the left you're a baby killer.

Different versions of the same intellectual deficiency. And the kind of people whose "right" to vote should be revoked in the interests of humanity.

@DiscordTiger Said

It’s more like 20-25%, not just a few.
And taking away their right to vote, isn’t going to happen. (Nor should it). It’s just what is.

I don’t understand the logic of single issue voting. I’m never going to understand it. I don’t need to understand it. It’s just what is.

@bob_the_fisherman Said


But things like abortion, gay marriage rights and things like that are not issues significant enough to just oppose at all costs.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

I agree.

A single issue can be a very big motivating factor - for example, any party that is pro open borders would have to throw around some huge carrots to get my vote. It would technically be possible, but it would require something massive like a complete cutting away of welfare, legislation protecting free speech (which we sadly lack), a nation wide massacre of bureaucracy, getting socialist bureaucrats and child abusers out of government departments responsible for setting curriculum, an investigation into Chinese influence over politicians they pay huge amounts of money to etc, etc.

But things like abortion, gay marriage rights and things like that are not issues significant enough to just oppose at all costs.

And yes I do know that voting "rights" won't be taken from people. They should be but it won't happen. The last thing the political class wants is the need to satisfy people that actually know and care about contemporary political issues. That would require them to be honest and thoughtful, and to remove their snout from every trough they can find.

@nooneinparticular Said

Actually, I'm pretty sure the political elite would happily wish for a situation in which the voting public is made as small as possible. Makes it many times easier to control.

@bob_the_fisherman Said


Now that's out of the way: Wanting a woman to be allowed to abort the baby while she's delivering it, or, even to leave a baby to die once born just because the mother decides having a child might interrupt her sex life is not a good look. Yet some tool from the DNC was basically advocating something like that recently (I'm using hyperbole to some degree, but not much)..

@bob_the_fisherman Said

I'm not sure that's true.

If you have 500 voters and 350 of them are uneducated about politics and have no interest in it, they will cancel out anything the 150 think.

If the will of the disinterested was eliminated the political class would have to appeal to those who take an interest in politics which would require more than the pork barrelling banalities we tend to get today.

@nooneinparticular Said

Failing to vote may be punishable by fine in Australia, but in the US there is no penalty whatsoever for choosing not to vote, and people make use of that right regularly and often. With that being said, how exactly would removing the uninterested from the equation serve to reduce the amount of 'pork' in government?

@mrmhead Said

From the DNC? What are you talking about - It TRUMP that pretty much said that...

And it's the GOP that is regularly trying to tighten the laws to make it impossible to find a clinic.