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chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#16New Post! Nov 17, 2018 @ 20:06:22
@white_swan53 Said

reminding a repub about the righties reaction to Obama in office is on par with reminding them Obama inherited not one but two wars and the huge debt incurred by Bush's borrowing borrowing , borrowing from others. There are a few topics that if your not quick a repub will take your head off over.





This is why I am not a Republican any more.

I often make the distinction that I am/was a Reagan Era Republican as opposed to a 21st Century Republican.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#17New Post! Nov 17, 2018 @ 20:13:39
In this state you have to register repub or dem because you have to vote party in the primary's . But until trump hit I have voted independent for decades. Nether party is the party my grand dad spent many hours and lots of words telling me about as my eighteen b-day approached .
nooneinparticular On March 16, 2023




, Hawaii
#18New Post! Nov 17, 2018 @ 21:09:29
@chaski Said

And to continue that thought:

Neither side give credit to the other side either.

Examples:

1. The economy has been getting better and unemployment dropping since late 2009/early 2010. This is a fact. Republicans used to acknowledge this and say its the slowest recovery in history. OK... that might well be true; the slowest. None the less the economy was getting better for six (6) years.

Now Republicans act like Trump did it all.

That is BS.

Yes, Trump hasn't blown the economy, and in fact it has continued to get better. However, the reality is that the US economy is presently in its 2nd longest period of growth in history. The credit goes 1st to Obama and 2nd to Trump.

Its like have a baseball pitcher has 7 innings in a row... the team is winning for those 7 innings... then another pitcher comes in and has two good innings... so claims that he won the game. That isn't how baseball works. The 1st pitcher gets the win. Now if the 1st pitcher is losing the game and a 2nd pitcher comes in and wins the game, the 2nd pitcher gets the win... gets the credit.

Granted sports analogies only go so far, but the point remains.

Again, this sort of thing goes both ways. Neither side likes to admit that the other side did anything right.

So were left with the vast majority of Americans only blaming the other side, and never giving legitimate credit to the other side.... Americans are both poor winners & poor losers.


Because it's simpler that way. It was true during World War II, when the Axis of Evil was strong and the Allied Powers painted them as scary inhuman monsters. It was true during the Cold War when the USSR and US waged propoganda wars against each other each calling the other evil. From ancient history, with it's demons and heathens, to the modern day, with it's own plethora of derogetory terms for every type of person and creed imaginable, we have always dehumnized our opponents, be they ideological or militaristic in nature.

Does the person who fights a war wish to know that their opponent has a family? Does the person who advocates the death penalty wish to know that the people on death row could have loved ones? Does the person who opposses socialism wish to hear of the family who was saved due to government intervention? Of course not. It's much simpler to believe your opponent is evil than it is to believe that they are similar.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#19New Post! Nov 21, 2018 @ 10:47:26
@white_swan53 Said

4am insane rants, Bull sh#t lies about bull sh @t thing's.
Is Trump going to leave the White House in hand cuffs or a straight jacket ?
Things that make you hmmmmmm ...



He’s going to get re-elected
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#20New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 03:00:33
dear Stan please accept this email as notification of intent to separate from the company. I’m loathe to stow one more grain of sand in bitty-bits and mum days I can stay with her in Worcestershire for the bundle of faggots stacked smartly alongside the stables.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#21New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 04:02:39
@gakINGKONG Said

He’s going to get re-elected



99%

Unless Mueller inducts Jr, Kushner & Ivanka... that would probably drive CBS over the edge.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#22New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 12:47:14
@nooneinparticular Said

Because it's simpler that way. It was true during World War II, when the Axis of Evil was strong and the Allied Powers painted them as scary inhuman monsters. It was true during the Cold War when the USSR and US waged propoganda wars against each other each calling the other evil. From ancient history, with it's demons and heathens, to the modern day, with it's own plethora of derogetory terms for every type of person and creed imaginable, we have always dehumnized our opponents, be they ideological or militaristic in nature.

Does the person who fights a war wish to know that their opponent has a family? Does the person who advocates the death penalty wish to know that the people on death row could have loved ones? Does the person who opposses socialism wish to hear of the family who was saved due to government intervention? Of course not. It's much simpler to believe your opponent is evil than it is to believe that they are similar.


Judas priest! Gubment intervention don't equal socialism.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#23New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 12:54:32
Draw your sword, sir!!!


mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#24New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 12:55:26
I forget - is it socialism or communism when Trump Gubment calls the shots for corporations?
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#25New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 13:22:42
@mrmhead Said

I forget - is it socialism or communism when Trump Gubment calls the shots for corporations?


I think it's a matter of degree and the US is inching toward the major services either supervised or regulated in some form or fashion.

There are a few bits which likely ought to be regulated to include defense.

The feds probably do have a good reason to break up monopolies like ma bell -- for the purpose of breaking up monopoly boards and promotifying competition.

Take my wife. Please. It's one thing for my sweet wife to waltz into the kitchen when I'm cooking and tell me the beans need more Adobo. That's just being helpful. It's another thing for her to start micromanaging the entire meal from the comfort of her bar stool. Here's hoping lung cancer shows up right?

My kids need to know that "if it's gonna be, it's up to me" and that sugar daddy or Uncle Sam isn't going to be there for them in time of need unless they do something like enlist (I support that big league).
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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Saint Louis, Missouri
#26New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 13:22:57
@nooneinparticular Said

Because it's simpler that way. It was true during World War II, when the Axis of Evil was strong and the Allied Powers painted them as scary inhuman monsters. It was true during the Cold War when the USSR and US waged propoganda wars against each other each calling the other evil. From ancient history, with it's demons and heathens, to the modern day, with it's own plethora of derogetory terms for every type of person and creed imaginable, we have always dehumnized our opponents, be they ideological or militaristic in nature.

Does the person who fights a war wish to know that their opponent has a family? Does the person who advocates the death penalty wish to know that the people on death row could have loved ones? Does the person who opposses socialism wish to hear of the family who was saved due to government intervention? Of course not. It's much simpler to believe your opponent is evil than it is to believe that they are similar.



Isn't that kind of pigeonholing though? Is it not okay to oppose socialism even though you claim it's saved families? People can expound on the virtues of slavery and talk of how beneficial the system of american slavery was to a lot of people, and how it helped a lot of plantation owners and propped up the southern economic structure. But I think it's safe to describe slavery as wrong in spite of those things. There is plenty that people can legitimately argue on socialism, whether one agrees or not, and to say "if you oppose socialism, you don't care about this family" seems a little dishonest to me. Why can't it be that the person opposing socialism wants to see that family thrive under a different system and perhaps thrive even better? It's not necessarily a question of dehumanization, it may be a question of actual humanity.

I get your point, I do...and I agree with most of it to a point. People actually in combat fighting wars probably don't want to think about the enemy as being humans with families during the actual act of warfare, but afterward a vast majority of them return to a more introspective way of thinking and it's what leads to a lot of veterans wrestling with feelings of depression...guilt...suicide. I think it's pretty unforgiving to claim that they just dehumanize the enemy to support an agenda and don't have the moral fortitude to recognize similarities in them. And maybe you're not doing that, I'm just thinking out loud.

I do believe and agree that humans have a tendency to overlook the transgressions of their allies (and themselves) in favor of spotlighting the same behaviors in enemies. We sided with Stalin afterall and there's far less residual outrage at the mass murder waged by his regime than there is over the holocaust. Not to mention the near nonexistent conversation in today's america over what the government did to the natives right here on our own soil.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#27New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 13:24:33
@mrmhead Said

I forget - is it socialism or communism when Trump Gubment calls the shots for corporations?



It depends. Are they just regulating or totally controlling the means of production and distribution of profit? If they're just regulating, it's obvious neither communism or socialism.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#28New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 13:29:04
@chaski Said



This is why I am not a Republican any more.

I often make the distinction that I am/was a Reagan Era Republican as opposed to a 21st Century Republican.



Trump probably isn't really much of a republican either, to be fair.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#29New Post! Nov 28, 2018 @ 15:34:58
@Eaglebauer Said

Trump probably isn't really much of a republican either, to be fair.


Trumpican... or Trublican...
nooneinparticular On March 16, 2023




, Hawaii
#30New Post! Dec 03, 2018 @ 02:16:57
@Eaglebauer Said

Isn't that kind of pigeonholing though? Is it not okay to oppose socialism even though you claim it's saved families? People can expound on the virtues of slavery and talk of how beneficial the system of american slavery was to a lot of people, and how it helped a lot of plantation owners and propped up the southern economic structure. But I think it's safe to describe slavery as wrong in spite of those things. There is plenty that people can legitimately argue on socialism, whether one agrees or not, and to say "if you oppose socialism, you don't care about this family" seems a little dishonest to me. Why can't it be that the person opposing socialism wants to see that family thrive under a different system and perhaps thrive even better? It's not necessarily a question of dehumanization, it may be a question of actual humanity.

I get your point, I do...and I agree with most of it to a point. People actually in combat fighting wars probably don't want to think about the enemy as being humans with families during the actual act of warfare, but afterward a vast majority of them return to a more introspective way of thinking and it's what leads to a lot of veterans wrestling with feelings of depression...guilt...suicide. I think it's pretty unforgiving to claim that they just dehumanize the enemy to support an agenda and don't have the moral fortitude to recognize similarities in them. And maybe you're not doing that, I'm just thinking out loud.

I do believe and agree that humans have a tendency to overlook the transgressions of their allies (and themselves) in favor of spotlighting the same behaviors in enemies. We sided with Stalin afterall and there's far less residual outrage at the mass murder waged by his regime than there is over the holocaust. Not to mention the near nonexistent conversation in today's america over what the government did to the natives right here on our own soil.


I apologize if I failed to make this clear enough, but all I was saying is that people have a tendency to compartmentalize in terms of 'good and evil' and not 'different'. That doesn't necessarily mean that they won't regret their actions later, but on the same note, it doesn't mean they necessarily will either. Humans are kind of quirky like that. Two people can experience the same thing and come away from it with 6 separate opinions. Some people enjoy inflicting harm on others due, in part, to their experiences, while others with similar or the same experiences abhor it completely. Put both people in a situation where they deem it justified to inflict harm on another, and while they will both do it, only one of them will regret it.

That also doesn't mean that it's what SHOULD happen either. I view this observation purely for what it is. An observation. Personally I would much prefer that people acted in the way you describe, in which people can oppose something without disregarding its merits. Unfortunately, that seems to be increasingly rare nowadays. Hence the observation.

This ties back into our past discussions as well...but that might derail the thread even more than this has already so I'll leave it there.
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