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Leon On about 11 hours ago




San Diego, California
#1New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 16:33:17
With the results of the midterms in, we are looking at a Democratic controlled House and a stronger Republican controlled Senate.

With this, and with Mitch McConnell, whose job has been to obstruct any attempt at legislative accomplishment via collaboration and compromise through the past two administrations, as the leader of the Republican Senate, it is unlikely that anything really meaningful in terms of legislation will occur in the next two years. Instead, we will have another 2 years of a “do nothing” Congress and an increasingly frustrated President. If it sounds familiar, it is because Obama went through the same thing.

So, now with that out of the way, what should the two parties do in the meantime?

Let’s start with the Democrats. What the Democratic leadership in the House CAN do, and, in my opinion, SHOULD do, is focus on their message to voters for the next 2 years so that the voters can feel more involved in 2020.

This message should be on two fronts:

A) They should make clear the issues that are pressing and their stance on them, such as climate change, health care, etc. And they should BACK up their stances with action by passing legislation in the House, even if it is just for face value knowing that it won’t get anywhere in McConnell’s Senate or with Trump. At least the American voters will then know what the Democrats will do should they regain power in all three branches and can, therefore, feel informed as voters to make that decision at the polls in 2020.

B) Yes, they should open up promised investigations on Trump abuses, BUT THEY SHOULD NOT PURSUE INDICTMENTS OR ANY IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. Pursuing the latter would not get past McConnell’s Senate anyways, and would therefore turn it into something that is only viewed by the public as a political stunt. Which, in turn, would see issues take a major backseat, polarize both parties even further, and turn the election into nothing but an entrenched tribal war. Instead, the Democrats should make clear to the public at the start that there will be no attempts at indictments or impeachment and that the sole purpose of subpoenas and investigations will be to open up greater transparency for the deserving American people, the voters. Then the American voters will feel even more informed and empowered to make the judgement themselves on whether or not Trump should remain in office via their 2020 vote in the new light of information.

The Republican’s approach should be more simple: Continue to fill judicial vacancies and obstruct on everything else. McConnell (and the Koch Brothers) know exactly what they are doing, and have been doing it for some time. They know that they are not in the majority opinion on most issues and this blueprint is the only way to keep the majority opinion from becoming practiced law. Furthermore, obstruction in the form of preventing any votes on meaningful legislature will even be more imperative over the next 2 years due to this being an election cycle for 22 Republican Senate seats, as opposed to just 12 Democratic Seats in 2020.

They should also attempt to paint the Democrats as hungry for impeachment, to rile up their base for the 2020 election. Which is why the Democratic leadership needs to make clear from the beginning that they will not be pursuing it.

chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#2New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 17:19:41
A. The Trump presidency as always been about one and only one thing: Supreme Court Justices.

There are good odds that he will get another justice in the next two years.

There are good odds that he will get re-elected, and will then get one or two more justices.

That is all that the Republican Party cares about.

For Trump it doesn't matter... he will claim credit for anything good, and blame others for anything less than good.

Republicans where in charge of the least productive U.S. Congress in history, so more of that will not bother them.

To repeat "it" is and has only been about the Supreme Court.


B. Democrats.... more or less start from scratch. Get rid of the old guard... i.e. Hillary to Biden and everyone in between. The Democrats need to prove themselves to four groups: Women, Minorities, Young people and an working class men. The party needs to make up for the failings in 2016 which lead to so many young people not voting, and so many working class people either not voting or voting for Trump because they hated Hillary. One might say it is time for spring cleaning.

The House needs to keep some pressure on Trump, but only so the special council's probe can be finished. Impeachment should be off the table (unless something extraordinary happens.

The House should probably try to work with the Senate, at least to the point that any gridlock is clearly on the other side of the aisle.

etc
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#3New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 17:41:01
PS

Good bye Sessions

Good bye Rosenstein

Good bye Mattis

Good bye Kelly
Leon On about 11 hours ago




San Diego, California
#4New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 18:06:25
@chaski Said

A. The Trump presidency as always been about one and only one thing: Supreme Court Justices.

There are good odds that he will get another justice in the next two years.

There are good odds that he will get re-elected, and will then get one or two more justices.

That is all that the Republican Party cares about.

For Trump it doesn't matter... he will claim credit for anything good, and blame others for anything less than good.

Republicans where in charge of the least productive U.S. Congress in history, so more of that will not bother them.

To repeat "it" is and has only been about the Supreme Court.


B. Democrats.... more or less start from scratch. Get rid of the old guard... i.e. Hillary to Biden and everyone in between. The Democrats need to prove themselves to four groups: Women, Minorities, Young people and an working class men. The party needs to make up for the failings in 2016 which lead to so many young people not voting, and so many working class people either not voting or voting for Trump because they hated Hillary. One might say it is time for spring cleaning.

The House needs to keep some pressure on Trump, but only so the special council's probe can be finished. Impeachment should be off the table (unless something extraordinary happens.

The House should probably try to work with the Senate, at least to the point that any gridlock is clearly on the other side of the aisle.

etc


Yes. And the lower courts as well.

They may try and get Clarence Thomas to retire this term. There is no guarantee Trump will win a second term, and therefore Thomas’ age and past may be a liability second term.

At this point, it’s not about passing legislation but getting the courts to override any future Democratic legislation. Similar to what they’ve attempted with Social Security during FFR’s presidency and Obamacare.

Minority strategy.
Leon On about 11 hours ago




San Diego, California
#5New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 18:07:13
@chaski Said

PS

Good bye Sessions

Good bye Rosenstein

Good bye Mattis

Good bye Kelly


Mueller will be making more headlines soon as well.
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#6New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 18:30:55
Removed this comment to start a thread.
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 20:19:27
BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO!

Sessions is out.
gakINGKONG On about 8 hours ago




Lutz, Florida
#8New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 20:24:49
And all the children holding hands thousand points of lights mice doing the cancan with port wine on tap served on little silver trays. Spoons knives and forks for bitty hands fingers and mouths. All praises to climate change all praises to universal healthcare all praises to Queen Nancy save us dear wench from the orange cat grabber
mrmhead On 37 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#9New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 20:43:29
@chaski Said

BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO!

Sessions is out.


That didn't take long.

Did he fire him by Tweet?


chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#10New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 20:59:33
@mrmhead Said

That didn't take long.

Did he fire him by Tweet?






but the announcement seems to have been by text.... maybe he mentioned it at the news conference...
mrmhead On 37 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#11New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 21:14:03
@chaski Said



but the announcement seems to have been by text.... maybe he mentioned it at the news conference...


Right after the press conference where Sarah announced there will be no significant changes to the administration personnel?

And so now their gaslighting could be "Sessions wasn't significant"

Leon On about 11 hours ago




San Diego, California
#12New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 21:19:35
Mueller better act fast then. Or just hand over everything to the House.
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#13New Post! Nov 07, 2018 @ 21:26:01
@Leon Said

Mueller better act fast then. Or just hand over everything to the House.


I'd bet he saw this coming, and has a report ready to go now.

The new acting AG won't wait long... thought he might remove/replace Rosenstein first... hard to say...
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#14New Post! Nov 08, 2018 @ 00:48:45
I confess that I didn't think Sessions would be gone today.

Stupid me, I thought there would be a week or two delay... kind of a 2 week transition... professional courtesy and all that.

Dumb me.
gakINGKONG On about 8 hours ago




Lutz, Florida
#15New Post! Nov 08, 2018 @ 16:00:46
There’s still pressure to impeach Trump.

I wonder if RBG will hang in there
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