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Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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Toronto, Canada
#31New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 17:05:48
@Michael718 Said

Then shouldnt it have been written as incorruptible? If it is divine gospel, after all... And its not like they didnt destroy enough 'blasphemous' texts wehn creating the bible.



Define "incorruptible", I'm not sure what you mean when you use this in response to what I said.

And they didn't destroy blasphemous texts, they forbid them. However, you can google them now if you like. Or you can go to your local book store and get the Catholic version of the Bible that put 7 of those texts they originally forbid back in.

I think it's hilarious that people think that the church is trying to keep them from the mysterious texts that anyone can google at any time they like.
Michael718 On March 16, 2010
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#32New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 17:07:45
@Salutations75 Said

Define "incorruptible", I'm not sure what you mean when you use this in response to what I said.

And they didn't destroy blasphemous texts, they forbid them. However, you can google them now if you like. Or you can go to your local book store and get the Catholic version of the Bible that put 7 of those texts they originally forbid back in.

I think it's hilarious that people think that the church is trying to keep them from the mysterious texts that anyone can google at any time they like.


As in you said out of context the bible can be twisted. Look, im not disagreeing i have actually read the bible unlike a lot of people who like to rip it to shreds. But I find that you always have to have faith to overcome some problem with it, and i'm just not that sort of person.
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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Toronto, Canada
#33New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 17:11:58
@Michael718 Said

As in you said out of context the bible can be twisted. Look, im not disagreeing i have actually read the bible unlike a lot of people who like to rip it to shreds. But I find that you always have to have faith to overcome some problem with it, and i'm just not that sort of person.



Are you saying you want God to actively force everyone to interpret the Bible in one specific way? Because all literature can be warped, all you need to do is ignore literary devices and make words mean things they dont actually mean. Unless God actively forces someone to fully understand literary devices and makes them incapable of refusing to use the knowledge they have, then I dont see how you expect the Bible to avoid misinterpretation by people who are lazy scholars.
abzenze On March 21, 2011




unknown, Australia
#34New Post! Oct 21, 2009 @ 00:42:00
@Michael718 Said

As in you said out of context the bible can be twisted. Look, im not disagreeing i have actually read the bible unlike a lot of people who like to rip it to shreds. But I find that you always have to have faith to overcome some problem with it, and i'm just not that sort of person.


ive noticed being negative can eventually deteriote your nature of thought and slowly change the way you think in time.. having faith is just a tool to keep your mind on a positive road.. your thoughts are a very powerful tool .. the bible dosent directly tell u the mechanics behind each instruction but just the advice.. i also find it hard to keep faith though
Michael718 On March 16, 2010
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#35New Post! Oct 21, 2009 @ 14:56:46
@abzenze Said

ive noticed being negative can eventually deteriote your nature of thought and slowly change the way you think in time.. having faith is just a tool to keep your mind on a positive road.. your thoughts are a very powerful tool .. the bible dosent directly tell u the mechanics behind each instruction but just the advice.. i also find it hard to keep faith though



Negative? How is the bible positive when it makes you feel like every essentially human thought or longing you have is wrong?
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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Toronto, Canada
#36New Post! Oct 21, 2009 @ 15:02:39
@Michael718 Said

Negative? How is the bible positive when it makes you feel like every essentially human thought or longing you have is wrong?



I'm not going to argue for her perspective, but I will say this:
While the Bible isn't shy about pointing out your sins, it also provides a way of salvation: Trust in Jesus, who is God come in the flesh, to take upon himself the punishment for your sins and earn your righteousness for you. Although I sin daily I can remain joyful because my punishment has been paid for - I cannot go to Hell. Also I am judged by the life that Jesus lived and not my imperfect life. So while I freely admit that I sin, I have no reason to be anything other than joyful.
ronrmorris On June 06, 2014




, Texas
#37New Post! Oct 22, 2009 @ 04:36:45
Well as I posted in another blog the bible was written by humans and inspired (guided) by God. So yes there may be a contradiction here or there it does not matter. You have to read the entire section to get the gist of the meaning. Once you do you will find many things there that will help you in your daily life and instruct you even in some sciences. It contains the 'Big Bang Theory', the origins of air/water, and many other things that weren't truly 'discovered' until much later. And yes even if you freely admit that you sin you can still end up in a place you don't want to be!
ronyvo On July 04, 2018




Ft.Lauderdale, Florida
#38New Post! Oct 26, 2009 @ 11:10:36
@aquine Said

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Christ was and is the fulfillment of all prophecy.

That is why no more prophecy was required after Christ died and was then resurrected.

That is why Mohammed was simply a guy on a trip. A false prophet.


May the Lord have mercy.



Yes, add to that:
"... many false prophets will appear and deceive many people." Mth. 24:11
ronyvo On July 04, 2018




Ft.Lauderdale, Florida
#39New Post! Oct 26, 2009 @ 11:39:02
@jmo Said

A continuation of other prophets is not the continuation of the Bible.

Jesus was a prophet according to both religions. Islam has a different perspective of what Jesus said and did than Christians do.

I would also like you not to insult my intelligence, it goes against the terms of service you agreed to by joining this website.



1- I agree with your first statement, however, the word "continuation" is a little confusing here.
Mohammad was not a prophet. And, assuming he was, the Koran is full of contraddictions that makes Mohammad and his Allah fake.
"... many false prophets will appear and deceive many people." Math 24:11

2- Jesus was not a prophet to the Christians, He is God's Word.. Yes, the Muslims consider Him a prophet, becasue Mohammad could not ignore Him in his Koran.
The Koran admits and confesses to Jesus' immaculate birth, the miricales including creation, the Word of God...all what Christtians believe in, but the resurrection, and even this was softly mentioned.

It is very true that Mohammad did not bring anythingg new but violence.
rashad On December 08, 2009




New Haven, Connecticut
#40New Post! Oct 26, 2009 @ 12:02:34
How can someone quote the Bible when what everyone considers to be the bible is but a translation.

You can't get the actual meaning of the bible unless you read it and understand it in its original languages which are Hebrew and Aramaic not English, Latin or Greek. So unless you can read classic Hebrew and Aramaic stop quoting from the bible. Well..you don't have the bible unless it is in classical Hebrew and Aramaic.
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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Toronto, Canada
#41New Post! Oct 26, 2009 @ 15:28:33
@rashad Said

How can someone quote the Bible when what everyone considers to be the bible is but a translation.

You can't get the actual meaning of the bible unless you read it and understand it in its original languages which are Hebrew and Aramaic not English, Latin or Greek. So unless you can read classic Hebrew and Aramaic stop quoting from the bible. Well..you don't have the bible unless it is in classical Hebrew and Aramaic.



Actually, the Bible is wrriten in 3 languages:
Most of the Old Testament except for some of Ezra is Hebrew, some of Ezra is Aramaic, and all of the New Testament is in Koine Greek.

I do study Koine greek, and I will be learning Hebrew soon. As for our translations - they're imperfect but they get the general message accross.
WASH On June 04, 2012




LINCOLN, California
#42New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 00:54:14
@jmo Said

The Bible contradicts itself time and time again. There are two types of people who don't think it does; those who have not read it and those who decide to take parts of it metaphorically and parts of it literally seemingly jumping without reason from one stance to another depending on the point given.

God almost definitely doesn't exist, it's almost offensive to metaphysics that so many people still believe in God.


What about IF--

The fllowing can be believed?
We see nothing strange in breeding chickens for large breasts and thighs, turkeys for white meat, horses and dogs for speed, developing strains of wheat to resist rust, rice to double its yield, flowers to please the eye and fruit and vegetables for taste, size, and color. These things we know and accept. Yet, too many reject the possibility that WE, ourselves, may be a part of a breeding program with the intelligence of OUR breeders as superior to our own as ours is to our animals. Only --
We MAY have been told what is expected of us. It would be a miracle which would make a believer of the agnostic if we were to perform as expected. If we don't, --- a -- cycle with a new set of characters?
ronyvo On July 04, 2018




Ft.Lauderdale, Florida
#44New Post! Jul 03, 2018 @ 18:59:21
(Conclusion) Using the Koran to attack Christianity

As I have proved the ignorance of those 2 PhDs (the Saudi Arabian scholars in my previous 3 replies to their unfounded attacks on Christianity, I’ll summarize as follows:
1- All Christians believe in ONE God. Jesus Christ IS GOD. We don’t worship St Mary. Mohammad’s accusation that Christians believe in 3 gods is from his satanic imagination.
Over 3 Billion Christians in the world who believe in ONE GOD for over 2000 years, then comes one person (Mohammad) about 600 years after the Lord Jesus Christ and spread a lie that Christians worship 3 gods, is either due to ignorance or deception, actually both.
2- Mohammad is one of those false prophets that Jesus warned of. The Muslims trying to spread the lie, that the comforter (The Holy Spirit) is Mohammad.
3- Mohammad could not make up his mind. That is why the Koran is full of contradictions. Here are some examples:
“Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously.” Surah 73:10 But in Surah 2:191 “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you.”
Also, “There is no compulsion in religion.” Surah 2:256, While in Surah 193 “Fight (kill) them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s (Islam).”
Also, “Argue with people of the Book, other than evil doers, only by means of what are better! And say we believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you. Our God is the same as your God, and we are surrendered to Him;” Surah 29:46 While in Surah 9:29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day…nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizia (tribute tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
“If you were in doubt as to what have revealed unto you, then ask those who have been reading the Book (the Bible) from before you; the truth has indeed come from your Lord; so be in no wise of those in doubt.” Surah 10:94
Also, the Koran states that the Bible is the Word of God: “Can you ( O you men of faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.” Surah 2:75
4- The 2 PhDs, who used the NOBLE HOLY Koran to attack Christianity, wrote
“ Jesus did not attribute divinity to Himself.” This is, also, WRONG.
Jesus said, “ I am the way, the truth, and the life.” John 14:6
Also, “ If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and
From now on you know Him and have seen Him.” John 14:7
He also said, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” John 14:9
Also, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he
who believes in Me shall never thirst.” John 6:35
“I and My Father are ONE”. John 10:30
“All that the Father has, is mine”. John 16:15
“And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.” John 12:45
Jesus asked the blind man who Jesus gave him sight, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord that I may believe in Him?” And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.”
The discourse with the Jews: “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto Him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you before Abraham was, I am”. John 8:56-58


The Muslim leaders should stop attacking the Bible, which has stood the test of time. Historical and scientific evidence shows that Christians and Jews did not alter their scriptures, as they desperately claim.
Many manuscripts of early copies of the Bible were discovered through the years:
-The Sinaitic, which was written about 270 years before Islam
-The Alexandrian, which was written 200 years before Islam.
Those are kept now in the British Museum.
-The Vatican, which was written 300 years before Islam.
Those, and others such as Codex Ephraemi and the Dead Sea Scrolls and thousands of other copies.

They should concentrate on cleaning their Koran from the so overwhelming contradictions and the historic, scientific and geographical errors, which Mohammad ignorantly spread. We are in the 21st century. Islam is trying to take us to the stone age.
The Muslim leaders should take off the robe of Islamic force and violence and put on the Robe of love and follow the Prince of love the Lord Jesus Christ.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#45New Post! Jul 04, 2018 @ 00:15:00
That first post was from eight years ago.

It took me a moment to figure out the OP should have said "Jews" instead of "Jesus" in the second sentence.

I'm glad to see the whole issue has been cleared up since the time of the original post.
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