The JW Cult

Western society for the most part is based on christian dogma & responsible directly for the ills that fell from that.

Sounds like some personal issues to me.

"Best to leave others out of their teachings & concentrate solely on them selves"

To me that reads as "keep your views to yourself" (unless your views are the same as mine!)

Or put another way....you cant give one single example!

By the way, throughout human history there have been wars. Conflict has occurred in all societies be they western or otherwise. For example, in the Americas native tribes were often in conflict with one another long before Europeans arrived...

Not sure what your views are. Mine is that religions should not focus on forcing their beliefs on others.

None religious in nature from what I know. The atrocities committed in creation of this country as well as your own were based on religious dogma. It still has negative results to this day.

It's interesting to look at some of the bloodiest leaders of the past 100 years.

Mao Zedong...communist who persecuted Christians. Esp during the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution.
Joesph Stalin...Marxist. Initiated a nationwide campaign to destroy churches and religious property and was responsible for the persecution and murder of church officials.
Adolf Hitler...despised mainstream Christianity and sought to replace it with national socialism.
Robert Mugabe...strongly influenced by Marxism-Leninism
Kim Jong-Il...communist (no 'Christian dogma' here)
Idi Amin Dada...murderously anti Christian
Vladimir Lenin...consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs, and actively encouraged atheism.
Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev...see above
Enver Pasha...anti Christian
Ho Chi Minh...anti Christian
Pol Pot...anti Christian
Saddam Hussein...secular socialist
Yahya Khan...Muslim etc etc etc

Evidence?

By 'forcing' you seem to mean giving voice to. So others can express their views but not religions?

The (effectively English) British empire was created and expanded due to primarily economic/trade motives. One only has to look at the power and influence of British chartered companies btw the 16th and 19th centuries to see evidence of this.

So you have gone from religions cause wars "Quite often sadly" to "Western society for the most part is based on christian dogma" and so (according to you) any conflict involving western societies is the fault of Christianity!!! Now you are saying "None religious in nature from what I know" when asked to give an example of a conflict driven/caused by religion! Amazing!

You left out Harry S. Truman...christian (Baptist)... 129,000 people killed in a 3 day period.

And if we're going for say the top 20 "bloodiest" we should add (ant note their religions)..

Chiang Kai-shek, Methodist

Kaiser Wilhelm II, Lutheranism

Yakubu Gowon, Christian

Enver Pasha, Sunni Islam

Yahya Khan, Islam

Leopold II of Belgium, Catholic

Nicholas II of Russia, Russain Orthodox

More recently one could argue that George W Bush, Methodist, could be added (hey...two wars, one of which is the longest in American history... etc)

Robert Mugabe was a Catholic.

We should probably also note that Joesph Stalin was raised Russian Orthodox and attended a Russian Orthodox seminary, and Pol Pot was educated in a Buddhist monastery.

Obviously you missed the point. The discussion was/is to do with religion being the cause/starting point of wars. So whether the leader was religious or not isnt relevant unless you can show that their religious beliefs are what drove them to war.

Leopold II for example was driven not by any religious beliefs but rather by greed, and the desire for power and recognition. He was the founder and sole owner of the Congo Free State which he exploited mercilessly. Note: it was Christian missionaries who first alerted the world to the atrocities being committed in the Congo, and it was the sustained pressure of missionaries, churches, The UK Government and most importantly of all the Belgium Catholic Party and the Belgian Labour Party that eventually forced Leopold II to hand over control of the Congo to the government.

I assume you included Kaiser Wilhelm II primarily as he was leader of Germany when the Great War broke out. By singling out the Kaiser and Czar Nicholas II you seem to imply that Germany and Russia were the ones who were responsible for the Great War. This is simply untrue. Yes both nations played their part but to varying degrees so too did Austria, Serbia, France and the UK. It is infact a matter of historical record that Kaiser Wilhelm II tried to avoid war. This is evidenced in his communications with Czar Nicholas II (who also wished to avoid war) and also in his instructions (after Serbia's reply to the Austrian ultimatum) telling Austria that there was no longer any justification for war and that they should cease further action against the Serbs. The reality is that the actions (and inaction) of both the Kaiser and the Czar were not influenced by, never mind driven by, any religious beliefs. Instead they were driven by secular issues.

Anyway, cant be bothered going through the rest you named.

So what. Using Stalin as the example, by the time he came to power he was an entrenched "militaristic atheist". He initiated a nationwide campaign to destroy churches and religious property, to persecute and kill church officials and followers of various Christian churches. For example, in the 1930's (under Stalin) the Russian Orthodox Church went from 50,000 to 500 open and operating churches. In the purges of 1937/38 over 100,000 Russian Orthodox clergy were shot. In all some 9-30 million people died as a direct result of Stalin's policies (not including the 6-8 million who died in the great famine). None of these policies were motivated by religious beliefs, but many were driven by Stalin's deep seated hatred of any form of religion.