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Conflict On March 25, 2024




Alcalá de Henares, Spain
#46New Post! Sep 24, 2016 @ 21:20:58
@twilitezone911 Said


conflict: move on with your life!


I am moving on with my life. I'm only reflecting on an unusual experience. I'm telling you what I saw and heard in order to better understand it, so that I may share with my friends the insights of others and broaden my horizons. What went down hasn't scarred me emotionally.

@white_swan53 Said


I agree with your theory about the teacher and her actions.
I also agree that something had to be done to make Freddy understand he was in the wrong.
But, it should have been some one in authority and not another student. When it became obvious that the teacher couldn't get Freddy to 'behave' she should have sent one of the other students to get another teacher or the principle.
But, it was decades ago and what we think about what Freddy , the teacher or you fried doesn't matter.


Yes, Myron could have gone and fetched someone to enter the fray and bring Freddy to the principle. However, our school didn't have a proper hierarchy. It was a private school that was being run by a headmistress and her teachers out of her very own house, without an official notice board. We had no security guards, no Councillors and our principle tended to look the other way when there was trouble. She would only intervene in instances when people did really gross or explicit things.

If Myron had gone to get our headmistress, who was the only person he could've brought into the matter, Freddy would probably have been suspended, for no longer than a month, nothing worse. It was his actions that got Freddy expelled and prevented him from carrying out any similar acts of neglect towards the teacher. I beg to differ with your idea of soliciting the authority in this matter. It wouldn't have stopped Freddy from trying again and I'm not too sure that I want to think about what he might have done had he been let off more easily.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#47New Post! Sep 24, 2016 @ 22:04:47
@Conflict Said

I am moving on with my life. I'm only reflecting on an unusual experience. I'm telling you what I saw and heard in order to better understand it, so that I may share with my friends the insights of others and broaden my horizons. What went down hasn't scarred me emotionally.



Yes, Myron could have gone and fetched someone to enter the fray and bring Freddy to the principle. However, our school didn't have a proper hierarchy. It was a private school that was being run by a headmistress and her teachers out of her very own house, without an official notice board. We had no security guards, no Councillors and our principle tended to look the other way when there was trouble. She would only intervene in instances when people did really gross or explicit things.

If Myron had gone to get our headmistress, who was the only person he could've brought into the matter, Freddy would probably have been suspended, for no longer than a month, nothing worse. It was his actions that got Freddy expelled and prevented him from carrying out any similar acts of neglect towards the teacher. I beg to differ with your idea of soliciting the authority in this matter. It wouldn't have stopped Freddy from trying again and I'm not too sure that I want to think about what he might have done had he been let off more easily.


I am moving on with my life. I'm only reflecting on an unusual experience. I'm telling you what I saw and heard in order to better understand it, so that I may share with my friends the insights of others and broaden my horizons. What went down hasn't scarred me emotionally.

now, if you mentioned a private school in catholic backdrop, before, won't mentioning " move on your life ". I won't have said it, be I am jewish. I never understand how the catholic school and catholic religion so dominating to teach the young ones.

if they don't learn it, catholic church will strike them down, like if god will strike down for this as a sin. like is the powerful more any of ten commandments in the bible.

even freddy and Myron was suspended for a month. freddy would have the same problems, Myron rethink in brothering freddy in the future. but the problems of freddy will resurface not be resolved by a month off.

conflict - the impression, I have from you, at least, at the time. catholic church will have no idea to how help freddy in the long run.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#48New Post! Sep 25, 2016 @ 00:24:23
@Conflict Said

I am moving on with my life. I'm only reflecting on an unusual experience. I'm telling you what I saw and heard in order to better understand it, so that I may share with my friends the insights of others and broaden my horizons. What went down hasn't scarred me emotionally.



Yes, Myron could have gone and fetched someone to enter the fray and bring Freddy to the principle. However, our school didn't have a proper hierarchy. It was a private school that was being run by a headmistress and her teachers out of her very own house, without an official notice board. We had no security guards, no Councillors and our principle tended to look the other way when there was trouble. She would only intervene in instances when people did really gross or explicit things.

If Myron had gone to get our headmistress, who was the only person he could've brought into the matter, Freddy would probably have been suspended, for no longer than a month, nothing worse. It was his actions that got Freddy expelled and prevented him from carrying out any similar acts of neglect towards the teacher. I beg to differ with your idea of soliciting the authority in this matter. It wouldn't have stopped Freddy from trying again and I'm not too sure that I want to think about what he might have done had he been let off more easily.


I suppose the 'event' could marked as 'all's well that ends well.
Which good, some special needs kids are very strong and that combined with anger can really do some damage to people or property .
From you description of the way the school was set up and run ,sounds to me like that headmistress needed o be taken to task at the very least. I hope she wasn't charging the parents a whole lot , because they sure wasn't getting their monies worth. My daughter went though high school in a private school , she was class of 2000 so it was around the same time , we were paying just under $200.00 a month ,that covered books, lunch and her place as a student .When kids graduate from there are they are collage ready and have no worries that they be accepted into the collage of their choice .
DuLu On January 11, 2017
CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!





Waverly, Washington
#49New Post! Sep 25, 2016 @ 01:24:02
Happy Ending!
Ratty On November 08, 2021




So Cal, California
#50New Post! Sep 25, 2016 @ 04:18:08
This thread is f***ing stupid.

Some dude pushes you he gets blasted in the gosh darn face. I don't know where you people come from, but where I do you don't push a man and expect to not get blasted in the face.

Over analysis paralysis.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#51New Post! Sep 26, 2016 @ 09:23:40
@Ratty Said

This thread is f***ing stupid.

Some dude pushes you he gets blasted in the gosh darn face. I don't know where you people come from, but where I do you don't push a man and expect to not get blasted in the face.

Over analysis paralysis.



It wasn't two men , it was a couple school kids , one was mentally challenged . It was in the class room.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#52New Post! Sep 26, 2016 @ 09:57:02
@Ratty Said

This thread is f***ing stupid.

Some dude pushes you he gets blasted in the gosh darn face. I don't know where you people come from, but where I do you don't push a man and expect to not get blasted in the face.

Over analysis paralysis.


The script says take one right before clicking on a thread you won't appreciate.
Ratty On November 08, 2021




So Cal, California
#53New Post! Sep 26, 2016 @ 18:23:12
@white_swan53 Said

It wasn't two men , it was a couple school kids , one was mentally challenged . It was in the class room.


It doesn't matter if they are kids or not, if one is mentally challenged and if it was in a classroom. You push someone around and act belligerent you just might get yourself checked. That's just how things go.

In HS you get into a fist fight and suspended for a couple of days. In life as and adult you do that and you can go to jail.

All things in life have some kind of consequence.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#54New Post! Sep 26, 2016 @ 19:15:09
@Ratty Said

It doesn't matter if they are kids or not, if one is mentally challenged and if it was in a classroom. You push someone around and act belligerent you just might get yourself checked. That's just how things go.

In HS you get into a fist fight and suspended for a couple of days. In life as and adult you do that and you can go to jail.

All things in life have some kind of consequence.



Yeah they do , I've been in fights and I've been jail, but not for fighting.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!





Waverly, Washington
#55New Post! Sep 26, 2016 @ 19:28:52
Another catchy phrase!

"Analysis Paralysis"

@Ratty Said

This thread is f***ing stupid.

Some dude pushes you he gets blasted in the gosh darn face. I don't know where you people come from, but where I do you don't push a man and expect to not get blasted in the face.

Over analysis paralysis.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!





Waverly, Washington
#56New Post! Sep 26, 2016 @ 19:31:57
Agree - to a point.

Sometimes, that may be the intent/objective of the baiter
(dog poker) --- to provoke/incite another. As in "suicide by cop".

Lots of thoughts to process while one's own life and
well being hangs on the edge.

@Ratty Said

It doesn't matter if they are kids or not, if one is mentally challenged and if it was in a classroom. You push someone around and act belligerent you just might get yourself checked. That's just how things go.

In HS you get into a fist fight and suspended for a couple of days. In life as and adult you do that and you can go to jail.

All things in life have some kind of consequence.
Conflict On March 25, 2024




Alcalá de Henares, Spain
#57New Post! Sep 27, 2016 @ 11:06:25
@DuLu Said

Agree - to a point.

Sometimes, that may be the intent/objective of the baiter
(dog poker) --- to provoke/incite another. As in "suicide by cop".

Lots of thoughts to process while one's own life and
well being hangs on the edge.


Well, I actually got shoved myself once a few years later, but in my case, I asked for it. The person who shoved me happened to be mentally unstable, too, but he had more of a motive put his hands on me, in my opinion.

We were playing a game in which we were throwing pens at each other. I got overexcited by the game and I went next doors to the neighboring classroom and sought out a new target. I stopped at the open door and threw the pen over it and heard the said person of this reply, Jack, cursing. I ran back to the other room and he followed me.

In front of several eye witnesses, Jack shoved me hard. I didn't shove him back or retaliate, because I had a feeling that it would lead to something worse. In this scenario, I provoked him by mortar launching a pen at him when he wasn't involved in my friend's game, so I can understand his reaction.

This is one example of provoked retaliation in which the person affected resorted to shoving the guilty party. Does what I did justify the act of shoving, rather than hitting someone back for provoking them?
Electric_Banana On February 05, 2024




, New Zealand
#58New Post! Sep 30, 2016 @ 14:36:04
@Conflict Said

All our teacher asked him to do was clean up his own mess and then to put a stack of papers in the right place. I find both requests perfectly reasonable.


Why do you guys quote things out of context - I've just realized this has been a really long and ongoing joke.

Teacher's request is fine

We're talking about Captain-Save-a-Hoe demeaning Freddy like he was Freddy's dad or someone who had a voice that Freddy should worry about.

If it was really eating at your friend, instead of confronting Freddy he should've addressed the teacher and told her he would do the small jobs for her ---> a more tactful way of showing Freddy up that doesn't show him down.
Sweet_Merry On October 01, 2023
One day. . . I will





Building my Castles in the Sky
#59New Post! Oct 01, 2016 @ 06:26:59
In Prison- yes.

In school- yes.

In other situations- maybe, mostly no.
Conflict On March 25, 2024




Alcalá de Henares, Spain
#60New Post! Oct 01, 2016 @ 20:37:42
I told my brother in law about this and he asked me that in situations like these, do you want to the matter to escalate or de-escalate. He personally would have shoved Freddy harder in order to make him back down and feel like he wasn't as strong as him, had he been in Myron's position and his age. Had he been older, he would've tried to use words to make Freddy aware that he was being unreasonable.

Do you think if Myron had done either of these things, it would have made Freddy back down or would it have made him escalate this particular situation?
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